Does a=-g Imply a*x^1=-g*x^2 in Lie 3-Algebras?

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The discussion revolves around the properties and implications of Lie 3-Algebras, specifically examining the relationship between structure constants and the validity of certain algebraic manipulations. Participants explore whether the relation a=-g allows for specific transformations in the algebraic expressions involving the bracket notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a bracket expression for a Lie 3-Algebra and questions if the relation a=-g allows for the transformation of the bracket expression by substituting x1 with x2 and adjusting the coefficients accordingly.
  • Another participant challenges this substitution, arguing that knowing a=-g does not imply that a*x^1=-g*x^2, clarifying that it only leads to a*x^1=-g*x^1.
  • A later post reflects on the initial question, suggesting it may have been misguided but expresses gratitude for the feedback received.
  • Another participant seeks assistance in classifying structure constants of a Lie 3-Algebra, presenting a system of equations derived from the Fundamental Identity and questioning the legality of dividing indexed objects in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the implications of the relation a=-g, with one participant asserting that it does not allow for the proposed transformations, while another participant is uncertain about the validity of their algebraic manipulations involving structure constants.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations regarding the treatment of indexed objects in algebraic manipulations, as well as the potential misunderstanding of the implications of specific algebraic relations.

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Hi!

Im messing around with a Lie 3-Algebra at the moment(Im not sure how widespread these are. They obey similar rules to a Lie Algebra).

I have a bracket that looks like this:
[x1,x2,x3]=c*x0+a*x1+g*x2+h*x3, with c,a,g,h, some structure constants.

I also have the relation a=-g.
Am I allowed to then say [x1,x2,x3]=c*x0+a*x2-g*x2+h*x3
or [x1,x2,x3]=c*x0=h*x3?

I suppose my question amounts to does a=-g also mean a*x^1=-g*x^2?

thanks so much
 
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Digs said:
Hi!

Im messing around with a Lie 3-Algebra at the moment(Im not sure how widespread these are. They obey similar rules to a Lie Algebra).

I have a bracket that looks like this:
[x1,x2,x3]=c*x0+a*x1+g*x2+h*x3, with c,a,g,h, some structure constants.

I also have the relation a=-g.
Am I allowed to then say [x1,x2,x3]=c*x0+a*x2-g*x2+h*x3
Why would you ask? you have replaced x1 by x2 and g by -g. What right do you have to do that?

or [x1,x2,x3]=c*x0=h*x3?

I suppose my question amounts to does a=-g also mean a*x^1=-g*x^2?
No, of course not. Knowing that a=-g tells you nothing about ax1. Knowing that a= -g tells you that ax1= -gx1, not -gx2.

thanks so much
 
in hindsight that was a silly question
thanks for your help though
 
Bumping this for some more structure constant help.
I'm attempting to figure out what a particular Lie 3-algebra is by classifying it's structure constants, which are constrained by what's called the Fundamental Identity(Which is the 3-analog of the Jacobi Identity for normal Lie algebras).

I'm convinced I'm not doing something right as I've actually never computed an algebra this way before(I've only previously studied matrix lie algebras): could someone take a look at my equations?
I've unwound the identity into a system of equations that looks like

1. a=b
2. cd=ea
3. cf=eg
4.cb=eh
5. -g=j
6.ck=la
7.cm=lg
8.cj=lh
9.k=-f
10.ld=ek
11.lf=em
12.lb=ej

where {a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m} are all 4 indexed structure constants. I was proceeding before trying to divide by various things, but now I've realized that's probably not a legal move as these are indexed objects. Any advice would be wonderful!
 

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