Does anything happen in the quantum world?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of existence and movement in the quantum world, questioning whether anything happens at the quantum level and how classical concepts apply to quantum phenomena. Participants explore the implications of quantum theory and the uncertainty principle, seeking clarity on what can be said to exist in this realm.

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  • Some participants question whether the quantum world truly exists or if it is merely a construct of classical understanding.
  • Others assert that the quantum world is populated with entities like electrons, protons, and other subatomic particles, indicating that these "quantum objects" do indeed perform actions.
  • A participant emphasizes that mathematics does not dictate existence; rather, nature defines what exists, prompting a discussion on the role of mathematics in describing physical phenomena.
  • There is a debate about the implications of the uncertainty principle, with some arguing it does not affect the existence or movement of quantum entities, while others seek to clarify its relevance to the existence of quantum systems.
  • One participant expresses frustration at perceived lack of understanding regarding basic physics concepts, suggesting that deeper thought is needed about the uncertainty principle.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of existence and movement in the quantum world, particularly in relation to the uncertainty principle. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the implications of these concepts.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding and definitions, particularly regarding the uncertainty principle and its implications for existence and movement in quantum systems. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in discussing these topics.

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Was Neils Bohr justified to claim that the quantum world does not exist?

Are we stuck in a loop when having to use classical-world tools to probe and understand the micro world?

Does anything happen in the quantum world?
 
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DiamondHead said:
Does anything happen in the quantum world?
What does that even mean? The "quantum world" is just a description of things very small, all of which do LOTS of things. Ever heard of electricity? An electron is a quantum object.
 
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phinds said:
What does that even mean? The "quantum world" is just a description of things very small, all of which do LOTS of things. Ever heard of electricity? An electron is a quantum object.
I was looking for a scientific answer specifically one related to quantum theory.

Does the theory say that anything is moving? Or that anything exists?
Does the math say what exists?
 
DiamondHead said:
Does the theory say that anything is moving? Or that anything exists?
Does the math say what exists?
Math does not say what exists. NATURE says what exists. Where possible, we use math to describe what nature creates. Do you think electrons do not move?
 
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phinds said:
Math does not say what exists. NATURE says what exists. Where possible, we use math to describe what nature creates. Do you think electrons do not move?

What does NATURE say it is that exists in the quantum world?

Does the uncertainty principle allow things to exist? And... well 'move'?
 
DiamondHead said:
What does NATURE say it is that exists in the quantum world?
Protons, neutrons, photons, electrons, neutrinos ... Do you not know how to use Google?
DiamondHead said:
Does the uncertainty principle allow things to exist? And... well 'move'?
The uncertainly principle has nothing to do with whether or not things exist and whether or not they move.
 
@DiamondHead it appears from you questions that you are not going to get very far asking semi-random questions on an Internet forum. Your time would be better spent actually learning some basic physics.
 
DiamondHead said:
What does NATURE say it is that exists in the quantum world?

Does the uncertainty principle allow things to exist? And... well 'move'?
Ummmm.... atoms, nuclei, a large number of subatomic particles, just to list the obvious Physical things. Then there are fields, energy, momentum, spin, etc, etc. Pretty much everything you're likely to have been taught exists. Why would you doubt it?

The UP talks about the uncertainty of the value of different properties of an object. It does not say that an object does not exist or move.

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Ummmm.... atoms, nuclei, a large number of subatomic particles, just to list the obvious Physical things. Then there are fields, energy, momentum, spin, etc, etc. Pretty much everything you're likely to have been taught exists. Why would you doubt it?

The UP talks about the uncertainty of the value of different properties of an object. It does not say that an object does not exist or move.

-Dan

I know what the uncertainty principle does not say and I never asked what it does not say.
I asked if the UP allows quantum 'things' or systems to exist.
And 'move'.

I will ask in another way hopefully it will be easier to understand - does the UP prevent the scenario where quantum 'things' exist and move?
 
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phinds said:
@DiamondHead it appears from you questions that you are not going to get very far asking semi-random questions on an Internet forum. Your time would be better spent actually learning some basic physics.
I think you need to think more deeply about the uncertainty principle.
 
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phinds said:
Protons, neutrons, photons, electrons, neutrinos ... Do you not know how to use Google?

These are useful concepts. But are limited by the inherent quantum uncertainty. They are superficial.
phinds said:
The uncertainly principle has nothing to do with whether or not things exist and whether or not they move.

Hmmm
 
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Thread will remain closed. Turns out this newbie was another sockpuppet account of a previously banned (multiple times) member who posted similar nonsense. Thanks anyway folks. :smile:
 
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