Does anything happen in the quantum world?

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The forum discussion centers on the existence and movement of quantum entities, specifically addressing Neils Bohr's assertion regarding the quantum world. Participants emphasize that the uncertainty principle does not negate the existence or movement of quantum objects such as protons, electrons, and photons. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding basic physics and the role of mathematics in describing natural phenomena, rather than relying solely on mathematical interpretations. Ultimately, the discussion concludes that the quantum world is populated with various entities that do indeed exist and move, contrary to some misconceptions.

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Was Neils Bohr justified to claim that the quantum world does not exist?

Are we stuck in a loop when having to use classical-world tools to probe and understand the micro world?

Does anything happen in the quantum world?
 
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DiamondHead said:
Does anything happen in the quantum world?
What does that even mean? The "quantum world" is just a description of things very small, all of which do LOTS of things. Ever heard of electricity? An electron is a quantum object.
 
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phinds said:
What does that even mean? The "quantum world" is just a description of things very small, all of which do LOTS of things. Ever heard of electricity? An electron is a quantum object.
I was looking for a scientific answer specifically one related to quantum theory.

Does the theory say that anything is moving? Or that anything exists?
Does the math say what exists?
 
DiamondHead said:
Does the theory say that anything is moving? Or that anything exists?
Does the math say what exists?
Math does not say what exists. NATURE says what exists. Where possible, we use math to describe what nature creates. Do you think electrons do not move?
 
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phinds said:
Math does not say what exists. NATURE says what exists. Where possible, we use math to describe what nature creates. Do you think electrons do not move?

What does NATURE say it is that exists in the quantum world?

Does the uncertainty principle allow things to exist? And... well 'move'?
 
DiamondHead said:
What does NATURE say it is that exists in the quantum world?
Protons, neutrons, photons, electrons, neutrinos ... Do you not know how to use Google?
DiamondHead said:
Does the uncertainty principle allow things to exist? And... well 'move'?
The uncertainly principle has nothing to do with whether or not things exist and whether or not they move.
 
@DiamondHead it appears from you questions that you are not going to get very far asking semi-random questions on an Internet forum. Your time would be better spent actually learning some basic physics.
 
DiamondHead said:
What does NATURE say it is that exists in the quantum world?

Does the uncertainty principle allow things to exist? And... well 'move'?
Ummmm.... atoms, nuclei, a large number of subatomic particles, just to list the obvious Physical things. Then there are fields, energy, momentum, spin, etc, etc. Pretty much everything you're likely to have been taught exists. Why would you doubt it?

The UP talks about the uncertainty of the value of different properties of an object. It does not say that an object does not exist or move.

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
Ummmm.... atoms, nuclei, a large number of subatomic particles, just to list the obvious Physical things. Then there are fields, energy, momentum, spin, etc, etc. Pretty much everything you're likely to have been taught exists. Why would you doubt it?

The UP talks about the uncertainty of the value of different properties of an object. It does not say that an object does not exist or move.

-Dan

I know what the uncertainty principle does not say and I never asked what it does not say.
I asked if the UP allows quantum 'things' or systems to exist.
And 'move'.

I will ask in another way hopefully it will be easier to understand - does the UP prevent the scenario where quantum 'things' exist and move?
 
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phinds said:
@DiamondHead it appears from you questions that you are not going to get very far asking semi-random questions on an Internet forum. Your time would be better spent actually learning some basic physics.
I think you need to think more deeply about the uncertainty principle.
 
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phinds said:
Protons, neutrons, photons, electrons, neutrinos ... Do you not know how to use Google?

These are useful concepts. But are limited by the inherent quantum uncertainty. They are superficial.
phinds said:
The uncertainly principle has nothing to do with whether or not things exist and whether or not they move.

Hmmm
 
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Thread will remain closed. Turns out this newbie was another sockpuppet account of a previously banned (multiple times) member who posted similar nonsense. Thanks anyway folks. :smile:
 
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