Does binding energy mean energy has a mass?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between binding energy and mass defect in atoms, confirming that binding energy contributes to an atom's mass. The equation E=mc² is emphasized as a fundamental principle linking energy and mass. Participants clarify that while mass is a compact form of energy, energy itself does not possess mass in the traditional sense. The general equation E² = m²c⁴ + p²c² is introduced to explain how energy can affect mass under specific conditions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Einstein's mass-energy equivalence (E=mc²)
  • Familiarity with the concept of binding energy in atomic physics
  • Basic knowledge of momentum and its relation to energy
  • Awareness of general relativity principles
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  • Study the implications of the equation E² = m²c⁴ + p²c² in particle physics
  • Explore the concept of mass defect and its calculations in nuclear physics
  • Learn about the role of binding energy in nuclear stability
  • Investigate the effects of gravity on massless particles, such as photons
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Is the Mass Defect in the atom due to the Binding Energy and does this account for that small amount of mass?
does this mean that it contributes to the atom's mass and has a mass itself?
 
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Yes, of course. E= mc^2.
 
how? energy=mass * speed of light ^2
big woop. i don't get it.
mass is proportionately equal to energy but this doesn’t mean energy has mass.
elaborate please.
 
brandy said:
how? energy=mass * speed of light ^2
big woop. i don't get it.
mass is proportionately equal to energy but this doesn’t mean energy has mass.
elaborate please.

One could say that mass is nothing but an incredibly compact bundle of energy. Mass is how we deal with energy in the frame of reference of gravity. Energy IS mass, mass IS energy.
 
brandy said:
how? energy=mass * speed of light ^2
big woop. i don't get it.
mass is proportionately equal to energy but this doesn’t mean energy has mass.
elaborate please.

how do you not get it, for small amounts of mass the energy is large so it takes equally large amounts of energy to have enough mass to notice yes energy has mass.
 
brandy said:
how? energy=mass * speed of light ^2
big woop. i don't get it.
mass is proportionately equal to energy but this doesn’t mean energy has mass.
elaborate please.
Yes, you are right. You don't get it. So try learning some relativity. That equation is NOT just a statement that two things are proportional. Wether an equation simply states a proportion or not depends on the physical meaning of the equation, not just the equation itself,
 
brandy said:
mass is proportionately equal to energy but this doesn’t mean energy has mass.
Hi brandy, maybe this can help. The general form of the equation is:
E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2
From this equation you can see that if energy is added and the momentum does not increase then the mass must increase. In that sense energy does have mass.
 
Of course energy has mass. In fact energy and mass are just 2 different words for one and the same thing.
e.g. gravity is the tendency of energy to attract other forms of energy. Therefore since matter is a form of energy it attracts other matter.
 
this also has the consequence that photons attract each other gravitationally
 
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brandy said:
Is the Mass Defect in the atom due to the Binding Energy and does this account for that small amount of mass?

I think of it as the binding energy is due to the mass defect.

binding energy = mass defect x c2
 
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If energy is mass, then why does gravity only accelerate a photon perpendicular to the direction of travel, never changing it's speed?
 
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Not sure what that has to do with the thread topic, but:

Since a photon is massless it must have speed c, therefore nothing will change that.

If the gravitational force is not acting perpendicular to the photon's direction, |p| will change for the photon, even though the speed does not change. I.e., its frequency will shift.
 
  • #13
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, of course. E= mc^2.

Agreed, though it might be easier for the OP to think of it this way:
Δm = ΔE / c2
where ΔE is the binding energy, so this gives you the mass defect. And yes, it contributes to the total mass of the atom.
 

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