Ecuador Bankruptcy: Refusing to Pay 2012, 2015, 2030 Bonds

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Ecuador's refusal to pay its bonds from 2012, 2015, and 2030, with participants exploring the implications of this decision and related economic and environmental concepts. The scope includes economic theory, environmental policy, and speculative commentary on financial practices.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about Ecuador's financial decisions, labeling the situation as indicative of a "banana republic" in trouble.
  • One participant references former President Correa's proposal for developed countries to compensate Amazonian nations for oxygen production, suggesting that this could help address Ecuador's financial issues.
  • Another participant humorously claims to be an "oxygen pirate," reflecting on the absurdity of the situation.
  • A participant critiques the financial situation as a "ponzi scam," suggesting that it serves as a means to employ financial experts who contributed to the crisis.
  • There is a question raised about Ecuador's role in the market for cyanobacteria, with a participant drawing a parallel to the concept of carbon credits.
  • One participant notes that most of the Earth's oxygen comes from the oceans, questioning the focus on Amazonian oxygen production.
  • A humorous suggestion is made to sell CO2 to Ecuador, indicating a playful take on the economic discussions surrounding environmental resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the implications of Ecuador's bond refusal or the validity of the environmental compensation argument. Multiple competing views remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about economic and environmental interactions, and there are unresolved questions regarding the feasibility and implications of proposed solutions.

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I guess Correa's http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36188" fell through...

He said that developed countries should create a fund to compensate the countries of the Amazon basin for generating oxygen. He argued that oxygen is "a priceless good," but the industrialised world should compensate the Amazonian countries because the oxygen they produce "benefits the entire planet." The compensation payments could be used to conserve the Amazon region, or to pay back creditors.
He said it was not fair to provide the world with oxygen for free, when agricultural machinery imported from rich countries is so expensive.

I feel so guilty for ... breathing!
 
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Oh no I'm an oxygen pirate!
 
a ponzi scam ... The perfect vehicle to employ the layed off financial wizards that got us into this mess.
A CO2 exchange.
jal
 
did ecuador corner the market on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria" ?

anyhoo, i agree, it's no more silly than carbon credits.
 
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I thought we get most of our oxygen from the oceans. :confused:
 
6 CO2(g) + 12 H2O(l) + photons → C6H12O6(aq) + 6 O2(g) + 6 H2O(l)
We should sell Ecuador CO2!
I'll just put it on your bill...
 

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