Electrode Potential: Manganate(VII) vs Dichromate(VI) for Fe(II) Titration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of manganate(VII) versus dichromate(VI) in titrating Fe(II) in volumetric analysis. Participants explore reasons for the preference of one reagent over the other, touching on aspects such as color change, electrode potential, and solubility.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the sharper color change with manganate(VII) (from purple to mostly colorless) is a reason for its preference over dichromate(VI) (orange to green), although they express uncertainty about this point.
  • Another participant notes that the emf of the manganate reaction (+0.75V) is higher than that of dichromate (+0.56V), questioning whether this implies a faster reaction rate.
  • A participant raises a question about the solubility of chromates and dichromates, indicating a potential factor in the choice of reagent.
  • There is a discussion about the color of products when using dichromate with HCl, with one participant recalling that the solution would turn green.
  • Another participant mentions that iron chromates are likely weakly soluble, which could interfere with the redox reaction, and notes the colors of Cr3+ (green) and Fe3+ (slightly yellow) in this context.
  • One participant agrees that the color change when chromate is added in excess makes sense.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the reasons for using manganate(VII) over dichromate(VI), with no consensus reached on the definitive advantages or disadvantages of either reagent. Multiple competing views remain regarding color changes, solubility, and reaction dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of emf values and the solubility of chromates, indicating that these factors may depend on specific conditions or definitions not fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Suggest why manganate(VII), rather than dichromate(VI) is used to titrate with Fe(II) in volumetric analysis.

The Attempt at a Solution



i have figured out 2 possible answers but both may not be correct...

1. the colour change is sharper with manganate (purple to mostly colourless) while for dichromate it is orange to green... I'm not quite sure about it though...

2. The emf of the reaction with manganate(+0.75V) is higher than that for dichromate(+0.56V). But that shouldn't mean that the rate of reaction is faster, right?


i would have preferred dichromate because then i could use HCl as acid?! which i guess is more available than H2SO4... i don't know :-S
 
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What about solubility of chromates/dichromates?
 
If you use dichromate and HCl, what color would all of the products be?
 
i think dichromates/chromates are quite soluble. i remember a practical we did at school to find its Ksp and the solubility in water was high if I'm not wrong.

the solution will become green!
 
Ag2CrO4 is soluble weakly enough to be used for endpoint detection in Mohr method. I don't have exact tables here, but intuition tels me that iron chromates will be weakly soluble and their precipitation may to some extent interfere with the redox reaction.

Cr3+ is green, that's correct. Fe3+ is sligthly yellow. Will you be able to see added excess of dichromate? Compare it with the situation in the permanganate case.
 
yeah that makes sense for the colour when chromate is added in excess!
 

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