Ellipticals vs. spirals colliding

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the likelihood of different types of galaxy collisions, specifically whether two elliptical galaxies are more likely to collide and form two spiral galaxies, or if two spiral galaxies are more likely to collide and form two elliptical galaxies. The scope includes theoretical considerations and interpretations of simulation results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that simulations indicate two spiral galaxies colliding will likely produce an elliptical galaxy.
  • One participant describes the process of two spirals colliding, proposing that the collision results in gas being thrown in random directions, leading to the formation of an elliptical galaxy.
  • Another participant argues that a complex structure like a spiral disk can only evolve after a long period of stability, implying that major disturbances lead to elliptical galaxies, but with enough time, these could evolve into spirals.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that the disk structure is not inherently complex, and that density waves within the disk contribute to the formation of spiral arms, which may misrepresent the density of star formation in the galaxy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the outcomes of galaxy collisions, with no consensus reached on which scenario is more likely. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific processes and outcomes of these collisions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the stability of galaxy structures and the conditions necessary for the evolution of spiral galaxies are not fully explored. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of simulation data and theoretical models.

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Which is more likely to happen for individual events:


two elliptical galaxies colliding to form two spiral galaxies,

or

two spiral galaxies colliding to form two elliptical galaxies?
 
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Simulations seem to suggest that two spirals (of similar masses) colliding will produce an elliptical galaxy.
 
What seems to happen is that spirals tend to collide to form ellipticals. You can think of things in this way. Imagine two spinning disks of gas hitting each other. Chances are that when they hit each other they will be tilted against each other, so that when the gas in the two galaxies start hitting each other, they will end up flying in random directions. So what happens is that two discs that hit each other will tend to become a blob. (i.e. an elliptical galaxy)

If you have two blobs hit each other, they are likely to turn into an even bigger blob rather than a disk.
 
Thanks both.
 
I am pretty sure that such a complex structure as a disc can only evolve after a lot of time left undisturbed. A major upset in a galaxy or galaxies will result in ellipticals. However, if left long enough, it might then evolve into a spiral.
 
In fact the disk itself isn't that complex a structure. Once you have a disk then complex structures develop because of density waves within the disk. Something that I've been told happens is that spiral arms give a misleading impression that the parts in between the arms are empty, when that isn't true. What happens is that when you have extra density, that gives you more star formation, and hot blue stars show up better on telescopes.
 

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