Equation describing particle with spin higher than 1/2

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The discussion revolves around the equations that describe particles with spin higher than 1/2, exploring both elementary and composite particles. Participants examine the applicability of existing equations like the Klein-Gordon and Dirac equations, and inquire about the nature of wavefunctions for higher spin particles.

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  • One participant notes that the Klein-Gordon equation describes scalar particles, while the Dirac equation is for spin 1/2 particles, and questions what describes higher spin particles.
  • Another participant provides equations for binding energies of spin 0 and spin 1/2 particles in hydrogen atoms, suggesting that a spin-1 particle might be described using the Klein-Gordon solution with specific conditions.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the description of higher spin particles, particularly mentioning the rho particle and its behavior in an external electrostatic field.
  • One participant lists several relativistic wave equations for higher spin, including the Proca equation for spin 1 and Rarita-Schwinger equations for half-integer spin.
  • Another participant questions the straightforwardness of generalizing the Dirac and Klein-Gordon equations for higher spins and asks about the discovery of these equations.
  • A later reply mentions that these equations are related to induced representations of the Poincare group.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific equations for higher spin particles, and multiple competing views and questions remain regarding the nature of these equations and their derivations.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of describing higher spin particles and the potential limitations in understanding their wavefunctions and equations. There are unresolved questions about the applicability of existing equations to composite particles and the nature of their inner degrees of freedom.

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Relativistic scalar particle might be described by Klein-Gordon equation, spin 1/2 particle
is described by dirac equation. I wonder what type of equation describes particles with
spin higher than 1/2. Can we describe composite particles (e.g. nuclei of atoms) using
equation for elementary particle with appropriate spin (e.g. particle consisting of two
spin 1/2 particles may have spin 0, does it mean that we can describe it by means of
Klein-Gordon equation)?
Thanks for answer.
 
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Solutions for both the Klein Gordon atom and the Dirac atom can be found in Schiff "Quantum Mechanics" (second edition), pages 322 and 337.
The binding energy of a spin zero particle in the hydrogen atom (Klein Gordon equation) is to order α4 (excluding reduced mass and QED corrections)

[tex]E =\frac{m_ec^2 \alpha^2} {2n^2}[1+\frac{\alpha^2} {n^2}(\frac{n}{\ell+\frac{1}{2}} - \frac{3}{4} )][/tex]

The binding energy of a spin 1/2 particle in the hydrogen atom (Dirac equation) is to order α4 (excluding reduced mass and QED corrections)

[tex]E =\frac{m_ec^2 \alpha^2} {2n^2}[1+\frac{\alpha^2} {n^2}(\frac{n}{j+\frac{1}{2}} - \frac{3}{4} )][/tex]

where j = l ± 1/2, with 0 ≤ l ≤ n-1

The accuracy of the Dirac equation has been tested many times. The Klein Gordon equation has been tested to a few parts per million by measuring x-rays of atomic transitions of negative pions in pionic atoms. The most precise pion mass measurements are in fact based on measurements of atomic transitions in pionic atoms.

The above equations imply that the solution for a spin-1 particle might be using the Klein Gordon solution with j = l or l ±1.

Bob S
 
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Thanks for answer.
I see that not elementary particle of spin 0 is might be successfully described by
Klein-Gordon equation (if I remember correctly pion has spin 0).

I'm still curious what in case of particles with higher spin (elementary or not elementary). Such particles have inner degrees of freedom their wavefunction is
a vector at every point. I wonder what type of equation these vector wavefunction
has to obey in case of spin higher then 1/2. Let's consider for example particle
[tex]\rho^-[/tex] in an external electrostatic field (described classically) created
by positevly charged massive nucleus (atom consisting of [tex]\rho^-[/tex] instead
of [tex]e^-[/tex]; I don't know if these example might be realized in nature).
What equation describes the [tex]\rho^-[/tex] (it has spin 1)?
 
These are probably the two most famous equations, but there are more (infinitely many) relativistic wave equations. Some have names for example Proca equation (spin 1), Rarita-Schwinger equations (half-integer spin), Massive Tensor Fields equations (spin 2), Bargmann-Wigner, Gelfan-Yaglom ...
 
Ok, I see. I thought that generalization of Dirac and Klein-Gordon equation for higher
spin is more straightforward... How people found these equations?
 
They are all related to induced representations of the Poincare group.

You can look at chapter 21 of "Theory of group representations and applications"- A. O. Barut, R. Raczka.
 

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