Excellent champagne found at the bottom of the sea

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The discussion centers around the discovery of 30 bottles of champagne from the 1780s found by divers near the Åland Islands. Participants explore various aspects of the find, including the preservation of the champagne, legal implications of salvage rights, and the scientific considerations regarding pressure and taste.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise that salt water did not seep into the bottles, questioning whether they were wax sealed, which might have been a common practice for quality assurance.
  • There is a suggestion that the taste of sea water in the past may have been different due to fewer pollutants, which could influence perceptions of the champagne's quality.
  • One participant raises the question of salvage rights, speculating whether France, Russia, or Finland would claim ownership, and humorously considers the implications for divers who opened a bottle.
  • A later reply proposes comparing the internal pressure of the champagne bottles to the pressure at the depth where they were found, suggesting that if the champagne remains fizzy, the pressures might be similar.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share curiosity about the preservation of the champagne and the implications of the find, but there are multiple competing views regarding the legal and scientific aspects, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the specifics of bottle sealing methods from the 1780s, the legal ownership of the champagne, or the scientific implications of pressure comparisons.

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Divers outside the Finnish island group Åland have discovered a cache of 30 corked bottles of champagne; their likely date is the 1780s, when such a gift from Louis XVI to the russian czar was sent, but never arrived.

As for the taste?
""It tasted fantastic. It was a very sweet champagne, with a tobacco taste and oak,""

Each bottle is estimated to be valued at about $70.000 or so..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100717/ap_on_re_eu/eu_sweden_champagne_find
 
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I'm surprised that the salt water didn't seep into them. Were bottles wax sealed back then?
 
Evo said:
I'm surprised that the salt water didn't seep into them. Were bottles wax sealed back then?
Sea water tasted much better then, since you didn't have oil spills. :smile:
 
So does France, Russia or Finland get the salvage rights here, and which of the divers gets stuck with the bill for the bottle they opened?
 
Evo said:
I'm surprised that the salt water didn't seep into them. Were bottles wax sealed back then?

Wouldn't that be a likely quality security measure, in order to keep the sparkle in the champagne?
 
Someone needs to compare pressure inside a champagne bottle with pressure at whatever depth they found this cache at. Bet they're not far off if the champagne has kept its fizz and not been contaminated with water. Good job!