Expression for Uncertainty of Arbitrary Operator

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The discussion revolves around the expression for the uncertainty of an arbitrary operator Q in quantum mechanics. Participants are examining the validity of a specific expression presented in a video and comparing it to a well-known equation from a textbook.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of the expression σ= < \hatℚ2 - <ℚ>2 > for the uncertainty of an operator Q, suggesting it may deviate from the standard equation σ=√(-2) found in Griffiths' textbook.
  • Another participant notes that the difference between the two expressions is the presence of the square root, implying that without the square root, they could be considered equivalent under certain conditions.
  • A third participant provides a mathematical derivation of the uncertainty expression, showing the relationship between the average and the squared average, but does not resolve the initial question of correctness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial expression for uncertainty. Multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the relationship between the expressions, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of the operators and the context of the expressions are not explicitly stated, which may affect the interpretation of the uncertainty expressions.

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Hello all, as far as I can see this question is not posted already, my apologies if it is and please provide a link. But I'm watching this video on youtube: And at 22:38 there's an expression given for the uncertainty of an arbitrary operator Q, however I'm concerned the expression is incorrect. Could anyone please look at the expression and tell me if it's true or a mistake?

The expression given is σ= < \hatℚ2 - <ℚ>2 >

Sorry, I can't seem to get LaTeX to work right, though I've managed it in the past.

If so could you please explain why it deviates from eqn 1.12 of Griffiths into QM which is:

σ=√(<j2>-<j>2)
 
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DrPapper said:
And at 22:38 there's an expression given for the uncertainty of an arbitrary operator Q, however I'm concerned the expression is incorrect. Could anyone please look at the expression and tell me if it's true or a mistake?

The expression given is σ= < \hatℚ2 - <ℚ>2 >
I actually I couldn't find that equation in the minute you mentioned above. Anyway, the difference between
DrPapper said:
σ= < \hatℚ2 - <ℚ>2 >
and
DrPapper said:
σ=√(<j2>-<j>2)
is just the presence of the square root. Had the square root been removed from the second equation, they will become equivalent because ##\langle C \rangle = C## if ##C## is just number while at the same time ##\langle Q \rangle^2## is also a number.
 
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Let ##\bar A=\langle A\rangle##. Then ##\sigma_A^2:=\langle(A-\bar A)^2\rangle =\langle A^2\rangle -2\langle A\bar A\rangle+\langle\bar A^2\rangle =\langle A^2\rangle -2\bar A^2+\bar A^2 =\langle A^2\rangle -\bar A^2 =\langle A^2 -\bar A^2 \rangle##.

For the interpretation, see also this post and the discussion here.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
Let ##\bar A=\langle A\rangle##. Then ##\sigma_A^2:=\langle(A-\bar A)^2\rangle =\langle A^2\rangle -2\langle A\bar A\rangle+\langle\bar A^2\rangle =\langle A^2\rangle -2\bar A^2+\bar A^2 =\langle A^2\rangle -\bar A^2 =\langle A^2 -\bar A^2 \rangle##.

For the interpretation, see also this post and the discussion here.
Thank you I'll check those out. :D
 

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