Extraneous Solutions: Which step did it come from?

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The discussion revolves around identifying the source of extraneous solutions in the context of solving the equation \(x^2 - 3|x| - 2 = 0\). Participants explore the implications of using square roots and the identity \(\sqrt{x^2} = |x|\) in their approaches.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the steps involved in solving the equation, particularly focusing on where extraneous solutions may arise. There is an exploration of the effects of taking square roots and the use of absolute values. Some participants suggest separating cases for \(x > 0\) and \(x < 0\) to avoid complications.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of extraneous solutions and the importance of checking assumptions. There is an acknowledgment of the potential pitfalls when taking square roots and the need to validate solutions against the original equation.

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Participants note that the original equation is symmetric around \(x=0\), which may influence the nature of the solutions. There is also mention of the necessity to compare solutions with initial assumptions about the variable \(x\).

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Homework Statement
Solve the following:
Relevant Equations
##x^2-3|x|-2=0##
I used the identity ##\sqrt{x^2}=|x|## and completed the square as follows:

\begin{align*}
x^2-3|x|-2&=0 \tag1\\
\sqrt{x^4}-3\sqrt{x^2}-2&=0 \tag2\\
(\sqrt{x^2}-\frac{3}{2})^2-\frac{9}{4}-2&=0 \tag3\\
(\sqrt{x^2}-\frac{3}{2})^2&=\frac{17}{4} \tag4\\
\sqrt{x^2}-\frac{3}{2}&=\pm\frac{\sqrt{17}}{2} \tag5\\
\sqrt{x^2}&=\frac{3 \pm\sqrt{17}}{2} \tag6\\
x&= \pm\frac{3 \pm\sqrt{17}}{2} \tag7
\end{align*}

After substituting the solutions back into the equations, the solutions are:##x=±\frac{3+\sqrt{17}}{2}##

Which step did the extraneous solution ##x=±\frac{3−\sqrt{17}}{2}## originate? The method I used to search for this step is by checking from which step on did the extraneous solution satisfy the equation. I tried (5) but it was not. Or, was it because I used the identity ##\sqrt{x^2}=|x|##? It seems unlikely...
 
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From 4 to 5. Taking the square root and using ##\pm## can come with extra solutions.
Oh, and you didn't take the square root on the right side in (5).

I would use ##x^2## = ##|x|^2## and solve the quadratic equation in ##|x|##, that's a bit less awkward to write and it's clearer that it needs to be positive.
 
mfb said:
From 4 to 5. Taking the square root and using ##\pm## can come with extra solutions.

Does this mean that in general, taking square roots will come up with extra solutions, as in completing the square on any other polynomial? From what I know, completing the square does not lead to extraneous solutions.

Example:
\begin{align*}
x^2+2x+3&=0 \\
(x+1)^2-1+3&=0 \\
(x+1)^2&=2 \\
(x+1)&=\pm\sqrt{2} \\
x&=1 \pm\sqrt{2}
\end{align*}

mfb said:
Oh, and you didn't take the square root on the right side in (5).

Uh oh, I made a mistake. Step (5) is correct, but I made a jump at step (4). I have corrected it.

Let me try your ##x^2=|x|^2##... Indeed it's neater.
 
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yucheng said:
Homework Statement:: Solve the following:
Relevant Equations:: ##x^2-3|x|-2=0##
My approach would be to look for solutions for ##x > 0## and ##x < 0## separately. Then nothing can go wrong!
 
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PeroK said:
My approach would be to look for solutions for ##x > 0## and ##x < 0## separately. Then nothing can go wrong!
At least nothing can go wrong as long as you remember to compare your two solutions in each case with your initial assumption about x. As usual, when the quadratic formula is used, it is necessary to check the validity of the two solutions when other constraints are considered.
 
FactChecker said:
At least nothing can go wrong as long as you remember to compare your two solutions in each case with your initial assumption about x. As usual, when the quadratic formula is used, it is necessary to check the validity of the two solutions when other constraints are considered.
That's true.
 
The original formula is symmetric around x=0, so all solutions will be in pairs anyway.

Completing the square isn't changing anything so this doesn't add extra solutions.
With the fixed (4) it's now easy to see why taking the square root adds extra solutions. ##\sqrt{x^2}\geq 0##, therefore ##\sqrt{x^2}-\frac 3 2 \geq -\frac 3 2##. It can't be ##\frac {-\sqrt{17}}{2} < -2##, only the positive option is meaningful.
 
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yucheng said:
Which step did the extraneous solution x=±3−172 originate?
The final step. Equation (6) still doesn't allow a solution in which the RHS is negative, but equation (7) does.
yucheng said:
Does this mean that in general, taking square roots will come up with extra solutions
Not in general. It is usually squaring that introduces extra solutions.
Here, it is that you turned ##\sqrt {x^2}## into ##x## instead of ##|x|##,
 
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