Hedging on a weather prediction

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The discussion analyzes a hedging strategy involving bets with two weather forecasters, Ra and Su, who offer odds of 3:2 and 4:3 respectively on rain and no rain outcomes for Sunday. The correct hedge requires determining the ratio of bets, not just approximate dollar amounts, to guarantee equal earnings regardless of weather. The fair betting probabilities derived are P_Ra(rain) = 3/5, P_Ra(sun) = 2/5, P_Su(sun) = 4/7, and P_Su(rain) = 3/7, confirming zero expected profit for both forecasters. A similar arbitrage calculation is demonstrated for a Tennessee vs. Florida game with odds 11:10 and 5:3, ensuring a guaranteed profit by balancing bets accordingly.

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Homework Statement
Weather forecaster Ra is so certain it will rain on Sunday that he would offer a bet of 3:2 that it will happen. On a different channel, Su is confident that on Sunday it will not rain; she offers 4:3 odds.
(a) A person has $100. Set up a hedge where the person will win the same amount of money no matter what happens on Sunday.
Relevant Equations
earnings=gain-loss
Let the person bet ##x## with Ra and ##100-x## with Su. If it rains on Sunday, the earnings are ##\frac 4 3 (100-x)-x##. If it's sunny, the earnings are ##\frac 3 2 x - (100-x)##.
##\frac 4 3 (100-x)-x=\frac 3 2 x - (100-x) \Rightarrow x \approx 48##.
I'd like to get a confirmation that my understanding is correct.
 
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It's late and I'm tired, but my understanding is:

You bet ##x## with Ra that it will not rain. If it rains, you lose ##x##. If it does not rain, then you receive ##\frac 5 2 x##. That's odds of 3:2 plus your original stake.

You bet ##1 -x## with Su that it rains. If it rains, you receive ##\frac 7 3 (1 - x)##. If it does not rain, you lose ##1 - x##.

You then equate the amount of money you have in the two cases:
$$\frac 5 2 x = \frac 7 3 (1 - x)$$Which gives ##x = \frac {14}{29}##. And, you have ##\frac{35}{29}##, which means you win ##\frac{6}{29} \approx \$20.69##.
 
PS I see now this is the same as your answer, more or less: ##x = \frac {14}{29} \approx \$48.28##.
 
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The second part of the question:

Both forecasters believe they are making a fair bet; that is, they are willing to take either side. Determine the likelihood each has for rain on Sunday, for no rain on Sunday.

Let ##P_F(w)## be a likelihood that the forecaster ##F## has for the weather event ##w##.

Then, if it's a fair bet,

##P_{Ra}(rain)=\frac 3 2 P_{Ra}(sun)##

and

##P_{Su}(sun)=\frac 4 3 P_{Su}(rain)##.

Considering that

##P_{Ra}(rain) +P_{Ra}(sun)=1##

and

##P_{Su}(sun)+P_{Su}(rain)=1##

I get

##P_{Ra}(rain)=\frac 3 5, P_{Ra}(sun)=\frac 2 5##

and

##P_{Su}(sun)=\frac 4 7, P_{Su}(rain)=\frac 3 7##.
 
A similar exercise:
Two people have different opinions on the Tennessee and Florida game to be played tonight. One person supports Tennessee and is willing to offer 11 to 10 odds; the other person supports Florida and is willing to offer 5 to 3 odds. Go through the analysis to determine how much to bet with each person. If Heili has $100 to invest, how much is she assured of earning?
Let ##x## be a bet with person 1, and ##1-x## a bet with person 2.

If TN wins the game, the earnings are ##\frac 5 3 (1-x) - x##.

If FL wins the game, the earnings are ##\frac {11} {10} x - (1-x)##.

Equating

##\frac 5 3 (1-x) - x=\frac {11} {10} x - (1-x)##

I get ##x=\frac {80} {143}## which makes the assured earning ##0.175##. Thus, on $100 Heili is assured to earn $17.5.

(Unless I've made a bad arithmetic error.)
 
Hill said:
Let the person bet ##x## with Ra and ##100-x## with Su.

That is not the correct approach. Instead, Let the person bet ##r## with Ra and ##s## with Su. You should be able to determine the ratio ##\frac r s## which will enable you to easily write down example values of R and S in dollars to give a perfect hedge (although the correct term in this case would be a perfect arbitrage).
 
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If that is the whole statement of the question, I think you have also misunderstood what it means [EDIT: although that doesn't make any difference to the answer in this case because of the symmetry].

Hill said:
Weather forecaster Ra is so certain it will rain on Sunday that he would offer a bet of 3:2 that it will happen.

Ra offers a bet of 3:2 that it will rain. So if you place this bet and it rains then you win; if it does not rain you lose.

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Su is confident that on Sunday it will not rain; she offers 4:3 odds .

Su offers 4:3 odds that it will not rain. So if you place this bet and it does not rain then you win; if it rains you lose.
 
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Note that the question is:

Hill said:
Set up a hedge where the person will win the same amount of money no matter what happens on Sunday.

so the answer is in the form "I bet $r with Ra and $s with Su".

Neither "I bet approximately $48 with Ra and apprixmately $52 with Su" nor "I bet ##$\frac{14}{29}## with Ra and ##$\frac{15}{29}## with Su" are correct answers.
 
pbuk said:
Note that the question is:



so the answer is in the form "I bet $r with Ra and $s with Su".

Neither "I bet approximately $48 with Ra and apprixmately $52 with Su" nor "I bet ##$\frac{14}{29}## with Ra and ##$\frac{15}{29}## with Su" are correct answers.
I assumed that Ra wasn't accepting bets that it rains, but rather accepting bets that it would not rain.

And that the odds of 3:2 apply to a bet that it does not rain. The odds might not be 2:3 on a bet that it rains. That would only be the case if they were offering fair odds on both outcomes.
 
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pbuk said:
If that is the whole statement of the question...
You are right, this is not the whole statement of the question, I've skipped the following note (I'm sorry!):

Remember, if it rains after someone bets with Ra, Ra keeps all of the money. If it does not rain, then Ra pays the better $3 for each $2 that was wagered.
 
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As an aside, a friend of mine said there's a guy in Finland who trawls the Internet looking for such betting anomalies. And makes a good living from it.

The betting sites that I've looked at occasionally in this context have different odds for the same outcome. But, not different enough to allow a guaranteed win. They must try to avoid such anomalies somehow, I imagine.
 
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Hill said:
The second part of the question:



Let ##P_F(w)## be a likelihood that the forecaster ##F## has for the weather event ##w##.

Then, if it's a fair bet,

##P_{Ra}(rain)=\frac 3 2 P_{Ra}(sun)##

and

##P_{Su}(sun)=\frac 4 3 P_{Su}(rain)##.

Considering that

##P_{Ra}(rain) +P_{Ra}(sun)=1##

and

##P_{Su}(sun)+P_{Su}(rain)=1##

I get

##P_{Ra}(rain)=\frac 3 5, P_{Ra}(sun)=\frac 2 5##

and

##P_{Su}(sun)=\frac 4 7, P_{Su}(rain)=\frac 3 7##.
Your results are correct.
The expected value of a profit (or a loss) in the case of a fair bet must be equal to zero.

## E(\text{Profit}_{Ra})=3\cdot P_{Ra}(sun)-2\cdot P_{Ra}(rain) ##
## E(\text{Profit}_{Ra})=3\cdot 2/5-2\cdot 3/5 ##
## E(\text{Profit}_{Ra})=0 ##

## E(\text{Profit}_{Su})=4\cdot P_{Su}(rain)-3\cdot P_{Su}(sun) ##
## E(\text{Profit}_{Su})=4\cdot 3/7-3\cdot 4/7 ##
## E(\text{Profit}_{Su})=0 ##
 
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