Finding a general formula for a sequence (x_k)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a general formula for a sequence defined by recursive relations. Participants explore three specific sequences, each with increasing complexity, including one involving imaginary numbers. The focus is on the mathematical approach to solving these recursions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents three recursive sequences and seeks guidance on finding a general formula for each.
  • Another participant suggests stating the characteristic equation for the first recursion and finding its roots.
  • A participant proposes a characteristic equation of the form x^2 = -x + 1, but this is later corrected.
  • It is clarified that the correct characteristic equation for the first recursion is r^2 + r - 6 = 0, which factors to yield integral roots.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the guidance received, indicating it helped them solve all three problems.
  • A later reply mentions that all difference equations are linear homogeneous with constant coefficients and provides a link to a tutorial for further reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some disagreement regarding the formulation of the characteristic equation for the first recursion, but a consensus is reached on the correct equation after correction. The discussion remains open regarding the solutions for the other sequences.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical techniques for solving linear homogeneous difference equations, but the discussion does not resolve all aspects of the sequences presented.

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I'm trying to do 3 questions, each one a bit more complex than the previous, but all have the same ideas. ( 2) has 1 more term than 1, 3) is with imaginary numbers)

Could someone please guide me on how to do them? Am I trying to substitute things into each other?

Suppose that the sequence x0, x1, x2... is defined by

1) x_0 = 4, x_1=1, x_(k+2) = -x_(k+1) + 6x_k

2) x_0 = 7, x_1=4, x_2=7, x_(k+3) = -5x_(k+2) + 2x_(k+1) + 24x_k

3) x_0 = 3, x_1=1, x_(k+2) = -6x_(k+1) - 10x_k

All 3 for k>=0
Find a general formula for x_k

I would greatly appreciate any help!
 
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Let's look at the first recursion:

$$x_{k+2}=-x_{k+1}+6x_{k}$$

Can you state the characteristic equation and then find its roots?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's look at the first recursion:

$$x_{k+2}=-x_{k+1}+6x_{k}$$

Can you state the characteristic equation and then find its roots?

Is it x^2 = -x + 1
Solving for root: x = 1/2(-1 - sqrt(5)) and 1/2(sqrt(5)-1)
 
tommietang said:
Is it x^2 = -x + 1
Solving for root: x = 1/2(-1 - sqrt(5)) and 1/2(sqrt(5)-1)

No, the characteristic equation is:

$$r^2+r-6=0$$

This factors nicely to give integral roots...
 
MarkFL said:
No, the characteristic equation is:

$$r^2+r-6=0$$

This factors nicely to give integral roots...

Thank you sir, I wasn't sure how to approach the problem because I couldn't attend recent lectures. But this tip gave me the ability to solve all 3.
 
tommietang said:
Thank you sir, I wasn't sure how to approach the problem because I couldn't attend recent lectures. But this tip gave me the ability to solve all 3.

All the difference equation are linear homogeneous with constant coefficients and the solving procedure is illustrated here...

http://mathhelpboards.com/discrete-mathematics-set-theory-logic-15/difference-equation-tutorial-draft-part-ii-860.html

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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