Finding indicator for acid-base titration

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The discussion revolves around identifying an appropriate indicator for an acid-base titration involving nitric acid and ammonia solution. Participants explore the implications of using different indicators based on the nature of the acid and base involved, focusing on the pH at which these indicators change color.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using phenolphthalein as the indicator due to the reaction between a strong acid (nitric acid) and a weak base (ammonia).
  • Others argue that ammonia is not a strong base and raise questions about the pH of ammonia, nitric acid, and the resulting ammonium nitrate.
  • There are inquiries about the color change of phenolphthalein in ammonia solution and at the endpoint of the titration.
  • Some participants suggest that methyl red might be a suitable indicator, depending on the pH around the equivalence point.
  • A later reply discusses the necessity of determining the inflection point pH through experimental titration and suggests using a pH meter and graphing the results to select an appropriate indicator.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the color change of phenolphthalein and suggests verifying the pH range for its color transition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which indicator is most suitable, as multiple competing views regarding the use of phenolphthalein and methyl red are presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to selecting an indicator for this specific titration.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to consider the pH at the equivalence point and the specific color change ranges of the indicators discussed. There is also a suggestion to verify the pH values associated with the indicators before making a final decision.

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Homework Statement
Suggest a suitable indicator to find the end-points of the reaction below:
0.0500 mol/dm³ nitric acid and 0.0500 mol/dm³ aqueous ammonia.
Relevant Equations
Acid + Base = Salt + Water
This question is asking about finding the indicator. I think phenolphthalein will be used as there is a reaction between strong acid and strong base. Is this approach to the question correct? Or am I missing any important concept? Kindly tell
 
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Ammonia solution is not a strong base...
What is the pH of ammonia, nitric acid and ammonium nitrate (the end product)
Check the pH that phenolphthalien changes colour at.
What colour will it show in the ammonia solution?
What colour will it show at the end point of the titration?
 
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DrJohn said:
Ammonia solution is not a strong base...
What is the pH of ammonia, nitric acid and ammonium nitrate (the end product)
Check the pH that phenolphthalien changes colour at.
What colour will it show in the ammonia solution?
What colour will it show at the end point of the titration?
Ammonia is a weak base and nitric acid is a strong acid. Will methyl red be used?
 
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haha0p1 said:
Ammonia is a weak base and nitric acid is a strong acid. Will methyl red be used?
That would depend on the pH around the equivalence point.
 
Mayhem said:
That would depend on the pH around the equivalence point.
This is a two mark question. Can you tell how we will approach questions like this one.
 
haha0p1 said:
This is a two mark question. Can you tell how we will approach questions like this one.
So this is a homework question. How do you like this idea: Try to perform a titration of a strong acid with ammonia solution. Monitor the entire titration with a pH meter. Find the inflection point pH. Making a graph might be needed. Now find a table of pH indicators and choose an indicator which has a color transition as near to the pH inflection point found, as you can find.
 
haha0p1 said:
Homework Statement:: Suggest a suitable indicator to find the end-points of the reaction below:
0.0500 mol/dm³ nitric acid and 0.0500 mol/dm³ aqueous ammonia.
Relevant Equations:: Acid + Base = Salt + Water

This question is asking about finding the indicator. I think phenolphthalein will be used as there is a reaction between strong acid and strong base. Is this approach to the question correct? Or am I missing any important concept? Kindly tell
I could use some correction in case my thinking is wrong, but I would tend to agree here, to use phenolphthalein. Color change is at pH above 7 (but I not sure; I should really look-up this information). Full neutralization of ammonia would be at something above pH 7.
 

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