Finding Simplicity in Summation Expressions

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The discussion revolves around the expression for the summation of spinor products in the context of Majorana fermions, particularly in relation to scattering processes. Participants explore the necessity and formulation of spin sums in quantum field theory, especially when dealing with unobserved spins.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about a specific expression for the sum \(\sum_{s}{u_s(\vec{p})\bar{v_s}(\vec{p})}\).
  • Another participant suggests that spin sums are typically used when a spin is unobserved, indicating that such sums usually involve either \(u\) and \(\bar{u}\) or \(v\) and \(\bar{v}\), but not combinations of \(u\) and \(\bar{v}\) or \(v\) and \(\bar{u}\).
  • A different participant counters this by presenting a scenario involving Majorana fermions, where the scattering process includes terms that necessitate the use of \(u\) and \(\bar{v}\) as well as \(v\) and \(\bar{u}\) in the calculation of the cross section.
  • Another participant asserts that for Majorana fermions, it is possible to transform the expressions using spinor identities to only involve \(u\bar{u}\) or \(v\bar{v}\), referencing a specific resource for further explanation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulation of spin sums, particularly in the context of Majorana fermions. There is no consensus on the necessity of including \(u\bar{v}\) or \(v\bar{u}\) in the summation, as some argue it is possible to reduce these terms while others maintain their relevance in specific scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of spinor algebra in quantum field theory and the specific conditions under which different forms of spin sums are applicable. There are unresolved aspects regarding the transformation of spinor products and the implications for scattering calculations.

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Hi,
there is a good expression for [tex]\sum_{s}{u_s(\vec{p})\bar{v_s}(\vec{p})}[/tex] ?

Thank you
 
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Not that I know of. But I don't know why you would need this sum; spin sums are needed when a spin is not observed, then you want to sum the absolute square of the transition amplitude over the unobserved spin; but that will always involve u and ubar or v and vbar, but never u and vbar or v and ubar.
 
Not always...
My problem is about Majorana's fermions:

Take the scattering [tex]\nu_{\tau}+\bar{\nu}_{\tau}\rightarrow \nu_e+\bar{\nu}_e[/tex] and the interaction [tex]{\cal{L}}=g \sum Z_{\mu}\bar{\psi}_{\nu_l}\gamma^{\mu}(1-\gamma_5)\psi_{\nu_l}[/tex].

The [tex]\nu[/tex] are Majorana's fermions (i.e. [tex]d_r=b_r[/tex]) with mass [tex]m_{\nu_{\tau}}>m_{\nu_e}[/tex]. Compute the cross section. Here the feynman rules are quite difficult and the sums over the spin of the square of the transition amplitude involve also u vbar and v ubar!
:rolleyes:
 
For Majorana fermions, there is always a way to transform things (using spinor identities) so that you get only u ubar or v vbar. This is explained in the book by Srednicki (draft copy available free online, google to find it).
 

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