Fluid dynamics+calculus: picking which vars to integrate

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The discussion revolves around a fluid dynamics problem involving a rocket sled that drops a snorkel into water, diverting a specific flow rate of water. The objective is to determine how far the sled travels after dropping the snorkel, with the sled initially moving at a speed of 50 m/s. Participants are exploring the integration of variables related to the sled's momentum and the forces acting on it.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to identify which variables to integrate to relate the sled's speed and momentum change. Questions are raised about the forces acting on the sled and the assumptions regarding the snorkel's shape and angle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the forces affecting the sled's motion and questioning the assumptions made about the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the sled's speed and the rate of change of momentum, but no consensus has been reached on the specific variables to integrate.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the neglect of friction and the importance of simplifying assumptions due to the lack of specific information about the snorkel's shape and the sled's angle with respect to the vertical.

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This is extra credit, and the test has passed (no one got it), the prof said he'll still take efforts on it so here is my attempt.

A rocket sled is going down a test track at 180 km/hr (calculated to 50 m/s). It drops a snorkel into a trough of water. This diverts 30 kg/s of water vertically. The sled has mass of 500kg (including the snorkel and water in it).

The question is how far will the sled travel once it drops the snorkel.

I know I need to integrate from 50 to 0... but beyond that I don't know what vars to integrate in order to get something to plug into kinematic equations...

negate fluid+track+air friction.


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I know to integrate from 50 to zero... but i don't know which vars to integrate
 
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Ask yourself what is causing the sled to slow down (lose momentum:wink:)...What rate does that 'something' decrease the sled momentum at?

Also, are you told the angle that the sled makes with the vertical or anything about the shape of the snorkel?
 
The sled slows due to the resultant force associated with shooting water 90 deg from the horizontal.

The shape/angle aren't important as far as the class knows. Only knowing flow @ 180km/hr is important.
 
white 2.5rs said:
The sled slows due to the resultant force associated with shooting water 90 deg from the horizontal.

The shape/angle aren't important as far as the class knows. Only knowing flow @ 180km/hr is important.

The shape/angle are actually very important! However, since you are not told anything about them you will need to make some simplifying assumptions. I would assume that the track is horizontal if not told otherwise. And I would assume that the shape of the snorkel is such that all of the force of the water that is ejected is directed opposite to the sled's motion. (In general, only a fraction of that force will actually be directed opposite the sleds motion)

Anyways, what is the rate of change of the momentum of the water being forced through the snorkel at time [itex]t[/itex] (in the rest frame of the track/water) if the sled's speed at time [itex]t[/itex] is [itex]v(t)[/itex] (Remember, momentum is a vector!)? What acceleration [itex]a(t)[/itex] does that cause the sled?
 
this is only a quick response but the angle is at 90 deg
the shape is to be neglected
the change in momentum does change as it is integrated from 50 to 0 but i am still unfamiliar w/ which vars to integrate
 
white 2.5rs said:
the change in momentum does change as it is integrated from 50 to 0 but i am still unfamiliar w/ which vars to integrate

Start by finding a relationship between the speed of the boat at a given instant and the rate of change of its momentum at that instant:

gabbagabbahey said:
Anyways, what is the rate of change of the momentum of the water being forced through the snorkel at time [itex]t[/itex] (in the rest frame of the track/water) if the sled's speed at time [itex]t[/itex] is [itex]v(t)[/itex] (Remember, momentum is a vector!)? What acceleration [itex]a(t)[/itex] does that cause the sled?
 

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