For ## n>1 ##, show that every prime divisor of ## n+1 ## is an odd integer

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The discussion focuses on proving that every prime divisor of n!+1 is an odd integer for n>1. It begins with a contradiction assumption that a prime divisor p of n!+1 exists and is less than or equal to n. The proof highlights that since n! is even, n!+1 is odd, leading to the conclusion that all prime factors of n!+1 must be odd. A key point raised is the necessity of explaining that any prime p not greater than n divides n!, which is crucial for understanding why p cannot divide n!+1. The conversation emphasizes the importance of clarity in proofs, especially for readers who may not grasp all underlying assumptions.
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Homework Statement
For ## n>1 ##, show that every prime divisor of ## n!+1 ## is an odd integer that is greater than ## n ##.
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Proof:

Suppose for the sake of contradiction that there exists a prime divisor of ## n!+1 ##,
which is an odd integer that is not greater than ## n ##.
Let ## n>1 ## be an integer.
Since ## n! ## is even,
it follows that ## n!+1 ## is odd.
Thus ## 2\nmid (n!+1) ##.
This means every prime factor of ## n!+1 ## is an odd integer.
Let ## p ## be a prime factor of ## n!+1 ## such that ## p\leq n ##.
Then we have ## p\mid n! ## and ## p\mid (n!+1) ##.
Thus ## p\mid 1 ##, which implies that ## p=\pm 1 ##.
This is a contradiction because ## p ## must be a prime number where ## p\neq \pm 1 ##, so ## p\nleq n ##.
Therefore, for ## n>1 ##, every prime divisor of ## n!+1 ## is an odd integer that is greater than ## n ##.
 
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Looks right, but a bit laboured.
 
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PeroK said:
Looks right, but a bit laboured.
What do you mean by 'laboured'? I do not understand this.
 
Math100 said:
What do you mean by 'laboured'? I do not understand this.
This, for example:

Math100 said:
Since ## n! ## is even,
it follows that ## n!+1 ## is odd.
Thus ## 2\nmid (n!+1) ##.
This means every prime factor of ## n!+1 ## is an odd integer.
Could simply be replaced by this:

Math100 said:
Since ## n! ## is even, every prime factor of ## n!+1 ## is odd.
 
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I guess I wrote too many words.
 
Math100 said:
I guess I wrote too many words.
The problem will come when you get more difficult proofs. Too much detail will make such proofs unreadable.
You have some good ideas that are not easy to see, but then you take 3-4 lines to convince us that an odd number is not even!
 
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Math100 said:
I guess I wrote too many words.
In some places, but you have not written any words to justify the key statement of the proof:

Math100 said:
Let ## p ## be a prime factor of ## n!+1 ## such that ## p\leq n ##.
Then we have ## p\mid n!##
Why?
 
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SPOILER ALERT!if 1<p ≤ n, then p divides n!, so the remainder after dividing (n!+1) by p is 1. Hence p does not divide n!+1.

This is the key observation in Euclid's original proof that there is no limit to the number of primes. I admit I myself found it mysterious when I first saw it. I just didn't realize that if p divided both n! and n!+1 then p would divide 1. This is the famous and useful (and trivial) "3 term principle".
 
mathwonk said:
This is the famous and useful (and trivial) "3 term principle".
Yes but the exercise is to prove it. I don't see how you can do that without something like "from the definition of the factorial, every p not greater than n divides n!".
 
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the 3 term principle says that if p divides both a and b, and a+b = c, then p divides c. or also if p divides any 2 of the 3 terms, a,b,c, then it divides the third. this is a pretty easy exercise.

"from the definition of the factorial, every p not greater than n divides n!".

forgive me, this is so obvious as to not seem to be needed to be mentioned. but you are right, this is a key step. i just assumed someone using the notation n! knows what it means. or rather, when outlining a short "proof" i tend to omit steps which i think have been rendered so obvious as to suggest themselves to the reader.

In this example of course, if the reader is someone who does not notice that n! is divisible by every integer between 1 and n, then your explanation is more appropriate than mine. of course you are right, the clearest explanation is always one that gives all the steps.
cheers!
 
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