Free Schroedinger equation: time separation

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of solutions to the free Schrödinger equation, particularly focusing on the time separation of the wave function and the implications of energy signs in these solutions. Participants explore the mathematical aspects and physical interpretations of the solutions, including the nature of positive and negative energy states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of their logic regarding the time-separated ODE derived from the general solution of the free Schrödinger equation, noting a discrepancy in the expected sign of the derivative.
  • Another participant suggests inserting the time-dependent part of the wave function into the Schrödinger equation to clarify the situation.
  • A participant expresses concern that the separation constant derived from their calculations indicates a "negative energy" solution, prompting further inquiry into the implications of this result.
  • It is noted that the wave functions in the Schrödinger equation are complex, with one participant explaining that the positive-energy solution corresponds to the term e^{-iωt}, while e^{+iωt} is its complex conjugate.
  • Discussion includes the idea that both solutions correspond to positive energies for a free particle, with one being the complex conjugate of the other, and relates this to concepts in quantum field theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the energy associated with the solutions, with some suggesting that both solutions represent positive energy while others raise questions about the implications of the separation constant being negative. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of these energy states.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of energy in quantum mechanics and the definitions of the wave functions involved. The implications of complex conjugation and its relation to physical particles and anti-particles are also noted but not fully resolved.

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Hi

Apologies for formatting, I can't get PF's new Tex to work for me.

The (?most) general solution of the free Schroedinger eq. is e^{±i(kx-ωt)} , which implies e^{+iωt} should solve the time separated ODE:
dψ/dt = -iωψ, but instead it satisfies dψ/dt = +iωψ which is not obviously (to me) the same equation. Could someone explain where my logic errs please?
 
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chartery said:
Hi

Apologies for formatting, I can't get PF's new Tex to work for me.

The (?most) general solution of the free Schroedinger eq. is e^{±i(kx-ωt)} , which implies e^{+iωt} should solve the time separated ODE:
dψ/dt = -iωψ, but instead it satisfies dψ/dt = +iωψ which is not obviously (to me) the same equation. Could someone explain where my logic errs please?
Because the energy ##E=\hbar \omega## is supposed to be positive, physically speaking (up to an additive constant).
Insert ##\psi (x,t)=e^{\pm i\omega t}\psi(x)## in Schrödinger's equation and see what happens.
 
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@pines-demon, thanks for reply. If I plug in e+iωt , I get separation constant as -ħω. Does that mean it is a "negative energy" solution?
 
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chartery said:
If I plug in e+iωt , I get separation constant as -ħω. Does that mean it is a "negative energy" solution?
Note that the wave functions in the Schrödinger equation are complex functions.

##e^{-\mathrm{i}\omega t}## corresponds to the positive-energy solution.

##e^{+\mathrm{i}\omega t}=\left(e^{-\mathrm{i}\omega t}\right)^*## then corresponds to complex conjugate of the positive-energy solution.

For a free particle, both "##\pm##" solutions correspond to positive energies, its just that you use both the "normal" wave function ##\psi## and the complex-conjugated wave function ##\psi^*##.

This plays a role in quantum field theory, where ##\psi##'s correspond to wave functions of particles and ##\psi^*##'s - to wave functions of their anti-particles. Both the particle and its anti-particle are physical and have positive energies; the difference is that one of the wave functions is a complex-conjugated version.
 
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