Galaxy and Stars: Questions Answered

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of star and gas populations in galaxies, particularly focusing on whether a galaxy maintains a constant amount of stars and gas over its lifetime. Participants explore concepts related to star formation, the distribution of stars within the Milky Way, and the characteristics of newly formed stars.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while stars die, new stars form, suggesting a dynamic balance in star population, but they express uncertainty about the overall constancy of gas and star amounts in a galaxy.
  • Others argue that gas is not constant due to galaxy mergers, which can introduce new gas and stars from colliding galaxies.
  • A participant notes that M class red dwarfs, which dominate a galaxy's population, have extremely long lifespans, potentially leading to an increase in the total number of stars over time.
  • It is mentioned that the spiral arms of the Milky Way contain the youngest stars, while older stars are found in the bulge and globular clusters, indicating a distribution of star ages within the galaxy.
  • Another participant suggests that long-lived stars like M stars and white dwarfs retain gas mass, leading to a decrease in available gas over time as more stars form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between star formation and gas retention in galaxies, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the overall dynamics.

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The discussion highlights assumptions about star lifetimes, the effects of galaxy mergers, and the distribution of star ages, which may influence the conclusions drawn by participants.

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I have a few questions. Would a given galaxy contain same amount of stars and gas through its lifetime? I want to say no, but I was thinking for every dead star, there will be a new star forming, and the gases would be preserved in the galaxy. And would the spiral disk component of the Milky Way contain all of the stars in its galaxy? I was wondering if this disk covers the diameter of the Milky Way. Lastly, do newly formed stars usually have disks?

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Huej said:
I have a few questions. Would a given galaxy contain same amount of stars and gas through its lifetime? I want to say no, but I was thinking for every dead star, there will be a new star forming, and the gases would be preserved in the galaxy.
Stars form when a clump of gas becomes concentrated enough. The gas in stars is moving all of the time so stars are being formed all of the time. The rate of star formation slows down but it will be a very long time before it ends. The gas in a galaxy isn't necessarily constant either because galaxies often merge with other galaxies.
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And would the spiral disk component of the Milky Way contain all of the stars in its galaxy? I was wondering if this disk covers the diameter of the Milky Way.
There are often stars outside of the spiral disk. As galaxies merge with each other, they don't necessarily align with each other. So, you get existing stars from the two galaxies flying off in all kinds of directions. Lots of new stars are formed where their gasses collide.
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Lastly, do newly formed stars usually have disks?
Yes. Star formation is a messy business.
 
Huej said:
I have a few questions. Would a given galaxy contain same amount of stars and gas through its lifetime? I want to say no, but I was thinking for every dead star, there will be a new star forming, and the gases would be preserved in the galaxy.

Keep in mind that the type of stars that make up the largest proportion of a galaxies population are M class red dwarfs which can remain in the main sequence for over a trillion years (much longer than the age of the universe.) So any M class stars born when the galaxy was young would still be around, and any new ones being born would add to the population. Even stars like our own Sun remain in the main sequence for ~10 billion years, followed by a ~2 billion yrs as a red giant before settling down as a white dwarf for trillions of years. It is really only the more massive stars that live "hard and fast" so to speak and die young. So on the long term, I would say that the total number of stars in a galaxy increases, as would its population distribution of old vs. young stars.
And would the spiral disk component of the Milky Way contain all of the stars in its galaxy?

The spiral arms contain the youngest stars in the galaxy, as this is where the majority of star formation is presently taking place. The bulge is dominated by older stars, and the oldest stars are found in the globular clusters in the galactic halo.
 
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As stated before the long lived stars like M stars and white dwarfs not to mention neutron stars and black holes would hold on to the original gas mass of the galaxy and not give it back. So as more of those stars form the less and less gas you will have. In the end you will have very little gas in the galaxy and very many old stars.
 

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