General solution of 1D vs 3D wave equations

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the general solutions of the 1D and 3D wave equations, exploring the forms of solutions and the implications of dimensionality on wave behavior. Participants examine theoretical aspects, conservation of energy, and the nature of wave propagation in different dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the 1D wave equation has solutions of the form ##u(x \pm ct)##, while the 3D wave equation allows for solutions like spherical waves ##u = A/r \; \mathrm{exp}[-i(kr - vt)]##.
  • Another participant mentions conservation of energy, noting that as a spherical wave expands, its magnitude must decrease.
  • There is a question about why the conservation of energy principle does not apply in the same way to the 1D case.
  • A participant explains that in 3D, the wave is spread over the surface area of a sphere, while in 1D, it is concentrated at a point.
  • One participant discusses the change of variables that transforms the 1D wave equation into a simpler form, suggesting that this transformation does not have an equivalent in higher dimensions.
  • Another participant questions the terminology of "1D wave equation," suggesting that after changing variables to spherical coordinates, it may not be accurate to label it as such.
  • Some participants express differing opinions on whether the term "1D" is appropriate, indicating that terminology can vary among individuals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of wave equations in different dimensions, particularly regarding the appropriateness of terminology and the implications of dimensionality on wave behavior. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the implications of dimensionality on wave solutions and the definitions used in the discussion. The change of variables and its effects on the classification of wave equations are also not fully resolved.

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For the 1 dimensional wave equation,

$$\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x ^2} - \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial ^2 u }{\partial t^2} = 0$$

##u## is of the form ##u(x \pm ct)##
For the 3 dimensional wave equation however,
$$\nabla ^2 u - \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial ^2 u }{\partial t^2} = 0$$It appears that solutions need not be of the form ## u(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \nu t) ##, for instance spherical waves ## u = A/r \; \mathrm{exp}[-i(kr - vt)] ##

Am I right? Why is it so?
 
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Conservation of energy. A spherical wave spatial expands so it’s magnitude needs to decrease.
 
Frabjous said:
Conservation of energy. A spherical wave spatial expands so it’s magnitude needs to decrease.

But why doesn't it apply to the 1-dimensional case?
 
yucheng said:
But why doesn't it apply to the 1-dimensional case?
Take a distance r from the origin. For a spherical wave, things are spread out on the surface of a sphere with surface area 4πr2. On a line, things are still located at a single point.
 
yucheng said:
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For the 1 dimensional wave equation,

$$\frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x ^2} - \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial ^2 u }{\partial t^2} = 0$$

##u## is of the form ##u(x \pm ct)##
For the 3 dimensional wave equation however,
$$\nabla ^2 u - \frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial ^2 u }{\partial t^2} = 0$$It appears that solutions need not be of the form ## u(\vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \nu t) ##, for instance spherical waves ## u = A/r \; \mathrm{exp}[-i(kr - vt)] ##

Am I right? Why is it so?

The change of variable \zeta = x + ct, \eta = x - ct turns the 1D wave equation into <br /> \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial \zeta\,\partial \eta} = 0 with general soluton <br /> u = f(\zeta) + g(\eta) = f(x + ct) + g(x-ct). There is no equivalent of this change of variable in 2 or more spatial dimensions, so other types of solution are possible. In particular, solutions of the form u(\mathbf{x},t) = f(\mathbf{x})e^{\pm i\omega t} are possible where f satisfies <br /> \nabla^2 f + \frac{\omega^2}{c^2}f = 0. This equation separates in many coordinate systems, and only in cartesians do we get solutions of the form f(\mathbf{x}) = \int_{\|\mathbf{k}\| = \omega/c}A(\mathbf{k})e^{i\mathbf{k}\cdot \mathbf{x}}\,dS so that <br /> u(\mathbf{x},t) = \int_{\|\mathbf{k}\| = \omega/c}A(\mathbf{k})e^{i(\mathbf{k}\cdot \mathbf{x} \pm \omega t)} \,dS. In 3D with spherical symmetry it can be shown that u(r,t)/r satisfies the 1D wave equation, with general solution as above.
 
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pasmith said:
1D wave equation
1D wave equation? Really?
 
yucheng said:
1D wave equation? Really?
Oops let me quote it in context...

pasmith said:
In 3D with spherical symmetry it can be shown that u(r,t)/r satisfies the 1D wave equation
Should it really be called 1D? I mean after a change of variables from Cartesian to spherical, then taking the partial derivatives with respect to ##\theta## and ##\phi## as zero, we get an ODE, but...
 
yucheng said:
Should it really be called 1D?
Some people do, some people don’t. You shouldn’t let semantics bother you.
 
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