Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Generalizing separation technique

  1. May 2, 2008 #1
    y'_1(x) \\ \vdots \\ y'_n(x) \\
    f_{11}(y) & \cdots & f_{1n}(y) \\
    \vdots & & \vdots \\
    f_{n1}(y) & \cdots & f_{nn}(y) \\
    g_1(x) \\ \vdots \\ g_n(x) \\

    If n=1, then this can be solved with the separation technique. Suppose n>1 and that [itex]f[/itex] is invertible. Could the separation technique be generalized to give some explicit formula for solution y(x)? I tried without success. Anyone dealt with problems like this ever?
  2. jcsd
  3. May 4, 2008 #2


    User Avatar
    Homework Helper

    As written I cannot say I do not know what y on the right hand side means.

    If you mean, or have use for
    [tex]\left[\begin{array}{c}y'_1(x) \\ \vdots \\ y'_n(x) \\\end{array}\right]=\left[\begin{array}{ccc}f_{11}(x) & \cdots & f_{1n}(x) \\\vdots & & \vdots \\f_{n1}(x) & \cdots & f_{nn}(x) \\\end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c}y_1(x) \\ \vdots \\ y_n(x) \\\end{array}\right][/tex]

    Then yes this is called the method of Peano-Baker.
    A good reference is Ince Ordinary differential equations.
    The idea is
    A and y being functions of x
    A a linear operator y a vector
    let I be integration say from 0 to x
    suppose when x=0 y=c
    leting the sum go to infinity we have a geometric series
    we can prove this works.
    It can be used in principle, but is more usefule to prove existance-uniqueness since it is highly impractical.
    we may think of this as a generalization of
    in both cases the "explicit" formula as written is not enough we often want to know more
  4. Aug 19, 2008 #3
    I see. The equation

    y'(x) = A(x)y(x)

    is equivalent with

    y(x) = y(0) + \int\limits_0^x du\; A(u)y(u),

    so the iteration attempt

    y_0(x) = y(0)

    y_{n+1}(x) = y(0) + \int\limits_0^x du\; A(u)y_n(u)

    seems natural. If the iterations converge towards the solution, it follows that the solution is given by the series

    y(x) \;=\; \Big(1 \;+\; \int\limits_0^x du\; A(u) \;+\; \int\limits_0^x du\; \int\limits_0^u du'\; A(u)A(u') \;+\; \int\limits_0^x du\; \int\limits_0^u du'\; \int\limits_0^{u'} du''\; A(u) A(u') A(u'') \;+\; \cdots\Big)y(0).

    But I didn't quite get the geometric series part. From equation

    S = 1 + q + q^2 + q^3 + \cdots


    qS = q \;+\; q^2 \;+\; q^3 \;+\; \cdots = S - 1\quad\implies\quad S = \frac{1}{1-q},

    but how do you do the same with the iterated integrals? If we define the time evolution operator to be

    U(x) \;=\; 1 \;+\; \int\limits_0^x du\; A(u) \;+\; \int\limits_0^x du\;\int\limits_0^u du'\; A(u) A(u') \;+\; \cdots,

    then the calculation

    \int\limits_0^{x'} dx\; A(x)U(x) \;=\; \int\limits_0^{x'} dx\; A(x) \;+\; \int\limits_0^{x'} dx\;\int\limits_0^x du\; A(x) A(u) \;+\; \cdots \;=\; U(x') \;-\; 1

    doesn't lead anywhere.
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2008
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?

Similar Discussions: Generalizing separation technique
  1. Separate the equation (Replies: 6)

  2. Separable equations (Replies: 4)