Help Identifying ODE: x'' + k(x')^2 + c = 0

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the differential equation x'' + k(x')^2 + c = 0. Participants explore its characteristics, potential applications, and transformations related to the equation, particularly in the context of modeling falling objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "identifying" the differential equation, suggesting it could represent various models.
  • Another participant transforms the equation into a first-order ODE by letting x' = v, leading to the equation v' + kv^2 + c = 0.
  • A specific application is proposed where the equation models a falling object subject to wind resistance at high velocities, with c representing gravitational acceleration.
  • Further clarification is provided that the original equation is a second-order, non-linear equation, and that the first-order form is separable and integrable, though finding x from x' may lead to complex integrals.
  • The original poster confirms that the equation pertains to a falling object and expresses satisfaction with the transformation and insights provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the differential equation and its application to falling objects, but there is no consensus on the specific identification or naming of the equation beyond its general characteristics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the context of the equation's application, such as the conditions under which air resistance is modeled as proportional to v^2 versus v. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the complexity of the integral when finding x from v.

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Hey

I need help identifying the differential equation: x'' + k(x')^2 + c = 0 . Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks.
 
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What do you mean by "identifying"? That differential equation could be a model equation for a lot of things! Did you want a specific name for the form or something?

In any event, if you set x' = v you get a first order ODE,

v' + kv^2 + c = 0.

One system that this equation describes is a falling object subject to wind resistance at high velocities, where c would be the acceleration due to gravity, g. (High velocities because at low speeds air resistance tends to go as v instead of v^2).
 
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Mute's dead on. As far as "identifying" is concerned, it is a second order, non-linear equation. As Mute said, letting v= x' you get the first order, separable, differential equation v= -(kv2+ c) or
[tex]\frac{dv}{kv^2+ c}= -tdt[/tex]

That's easily integrable but find x from x'= v may give you an integral that has no simple anti- derivative.
 
Thanks - it is in fact an equation for a falling object. V = x' and performing a change of variable gave me the answer I needed.
 

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