Help with Electrodynamics Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a set of electrodynamics equations related to the motion of a charged particle in electric and magnetic fields. Participants explore various methods for solving these equations, including substitutions, differential equations, and Laplace transforms.

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  • One participant presents a system of equations governing the motion of a charged particle, seeking assistance in solving them.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the second equation in terms of the velocity variable, proposing a substitution to simplify the problem.
  • A different participant identifies that the second equation can be transformed into a familiar form of a differential equation, indicating that solutions for one variable can lead to solutions for others.
  • One participant offers a method involving differentiation of the second equation and using the first equation to derive further results.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of using Laplace transforms on the equations, suggesting algebraic manipulations to find solutions in the frequency domain.
  • One participant expresses concern about the original equations, questioning their correctness and suggesting alternative forms for the equations based on their understanding of electric forces.
  • Clarifications about the nature of the electric field in the equations are provided, with one participant confirming their understanding of the electric field as constant in certain directions.
  • A participant provides a tip on using LaTeX formatting for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Participants express various methods for approaching the problem, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the original equations presented. Some participants challenge the formulation of the equations, indicating potential disagreements on the setup.

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There are indications of missing assumptions regarding the nature of the electric and magnetic fields, as well as unresolved mathematical steps in the transformations and substitutions proposed by participants.

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Could anybody help me solve this equations ( I'm sorry for my english)
[tex]m\frac{d^{2}{x}}{dt^{2}}=qB\frac{{dy}}{{dt}}[/tex]

[tex]m\frac{d^{2}{y}}{dt^{2}}=qEy-qB\frac{{dx}}{{dt}}[/tex]

[tex]m\frac{d^{2}{z}}{dt^{2}}=qEz[/tex]


X(0)=Y(0)=Z(0)=0
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}(0)=Vx[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}(0)=0[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dx}{dt}(0)=Vz[/tex]
 
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Use the first equation to write the second equation in terms of

[itex]\frac{dx}{dt}=v_x[/itex]

Then make a substitution:

[itex]u_x = v_x - \frac{E_y}{B}[/itex]
 
Using the equations in my post, the second equation becomes:

[itex]\frac{d^2u_x}{dt} + \frac{qB}{m}u_x = 0[/itex]

That differential equation hopefully looks familiar. Once you have solutions for [itex]u_x(t)[/itex] you should then be able to write down [itex]v_x(t)[/itex]. Then you should be able to use that to solve the first equation.
 
I'm sorry i have problems with tex :), I think i understand thank you
 
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Differentiate wrt "t" in the second eq and then use the first one.

Daniel.
 
if your familiar with laplace transforms, you can use one of those on the first two equations, then just do algebraic manipulations until you have X(s) and Y(s) then use the inverse laplace transform on each to get x(t) and y(t)
 
Obviously the z equation can be integrated separately from the x and y equations. One way to do the x and y equations is to differentiate the y equation again, getting
[tex]m\frac{d^3y}{dt^3}= qE\frac{dy}{dt}- qB\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}[/tex]
[tex]= qE\frac{dy}{dt}- \frac{qB}{m}(qB\frac{dy}{dt})[/tex]
or
[tex]m\frac{d^3y}{dt^3}= \left(qE- \frac{q^2B^2}{m}\right)\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex]
which is easy to solve.

I'm a bit concerned about your equations, however. They don't look quite right to me. Are you sure that isn't
[tex]m\frac{d^{2}{y}}{dt^{2}}=qE-qB\frac{{dx}}{{dt}}[/tex]
and
[tex]m\frac{d^{2}{z}}{dt^{2}}=qE[/tex]

I don't recall the electric force being proportional to a distance!
 
Ey,z - I understand like constant electric field in y,z direction, y,z are the index
 
Then use the "_{}" command

[tex]E_{y}, \ E_{z}[/tex]

Daniel.
 

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