Help with vacuums and particles

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The discussion revolves around the nature of vacuums in space, specifically what exists within them, including subatomic particles and their interactions. Participants explore concepts related to quantum mechanics, particle physics, and the properties of photons and other fundamental particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about what constitutes a vacuum, questioning the presence of subatomic particles like leptons and baryons alongside photons.
  • Another participant suggests searching for "vacuum fluctuations" for more information and clarifies that a photon is its own antiparticle.
  • A tangent question is raised regarding whether leptons and neutrinos exert gravitational force, with mixed responses about the gravitational influence of photons.
  • Participants discuss the interactions of photons with massive objects and how these interactions can lead to the creation of larger particles.
  • There is a proposal that photons have energy in the form of light and no mass, but they can participate in interactions that result in particles with mass.
  • Participants mention high energy physics and Quantum Field Theory as branches of science investigating the origins of fundamental particles, with a suggestion of string theory as a possible area of interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on several points, particularly regarding the gravitational effects of photons and the nature of interactions involving photons and other particles. There are competing views on the correctness of certain statements about particle interactions.

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Some statements made by participants depend on specific definitions and assumptions about particles and their interactions, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Can ya'll help me with this one:

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Vacuums (in space) are regions of space absent of [this is where I am uncertain] elements(?) but which contain subatomic particles like leptons, baryons, etc(?){how can this be right?} as well as photons and anti-photons(?).

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Please help clarify what exists in a vacuum and what doesn't. I know that photons and anti-photons must exist because light can travel through a vacuum, but beyond that, I am lost.

Grazie
 
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Ok, we have debated this many times here and i suggest you do a search for "vacuum fluctuations" on this forum or consult my journal or the "elementary particles presented" thread.

Meanwhile i suggest you look at following NASA-site and scroll down to the text on http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/research/warp/possible.html#vac . It gives a good introduction on what is going on. feel free to ask more questions if something is not clear

Enjoy

regards
marlon

ps : there is no anti-photon, a photon is its own anti-particle. QM is strange, isn't it :)
 
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...tangent question while reading bout vacuums...

Are these unrelated statements correct?

Leptons and neutrinos both exert gravitational force.

Photons do not exert gravitational force.

Photons cannot become neutrinos, leptons, baryons, or fermions.

Thanks!.
 
jhe1984 said:
...tangent question while reading bout vacuums...
Are these unrelated statements correct?
Leptons and neutrinos both exert gravitational force.
YES they do

Photons do not exert gravitational force.
yes they do exert gravitational force. energy is mass remember ?

Photons cannot become neutrinos, leptons, baryons, or fermions.
Thanks!.
photons when coupled to the appropriate massive object (to obey to momentum conservation) will be able to take part in interactions (weak interaction, hadronization, excitations,...) that emit hadrons and leptons. Fermions are particles with odd spin that can either be a member of the hadron (quarks, neutron,...) or the lepton (eg electron) family. Neutrino's are member of the lepton family.

marlon
 
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Oh!

So would this statement be correct then:

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A photon has all its energy in the form of light and none in mass. However, photons may take part in interactions (as mentioned above) which may result in a larger particle, which must have some of its energy in the form of mass.

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Beyond that, what branch of science is looking into how these "fundamental particles" were created, or came to be?
 
jhe1984 said:
Oh!
So would this statement be correct then:
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A photon has all its energy in the form of light and none in mass. However, photons may take part in interactions (as mentioned above) which may result in a larger particle, which must have some of its energy in the form of mass.
A photon indeed has no restmass and for that reason, it always moves at the speed of light.

Photons indeed take part into interactions between MATTER particles.

Beyond that, what branch of science is looking into how these "fundamental particles" were created, or came to be?
high energy physics, Quantum Field Theory (ie the theoretical formalism). Look at the "elementary particles presented" thread here



err dare i say string theory ?


regards
marlon
 

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