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[Owe Kristiansen]

How did you find PF?

CoPilot

I am a regular guy using my intuition to make sense of nature laws.

 

[jedishrfu]

Welcome to PF!

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We are not fond of AI posts in general but do allow some posts to be posted.

 

[Owe Kristiansen]

Welcome to PF!

Please take a moment to review our site's global guidelines.

We are not fond of AI posts in general but do allow some posts to be posted.

Thanks for accepting my post. Real human feedback was what I was looking for.

CoPilot is an ok chat partner when I use it to discuss my intuition, what I am looking for is explaining physics with geometry.

 

[phinds]

How did you find PF?: CoPilot

I am a regular guy using my intuition to make sense of nature laws.

If you study Cosmology or Quantum Mechanics, you will quickly find that your intuition is not just useless, it is actually counter-productive and will lead you to ridiculous conclusions. Math is the only thing that really works.

CoPilot is an ok chat partner when I use it to discuss my intuition, what I am looking for is explaining physics with geometry.

(1) Geometry is good for some physics, but not all.

 

[Owe Kristiansen]

If you study Cosmology or Quantum Mechanics, you will quickly find that your intuition is not just useless, it is actually counter-productive and will lead you to ridiculous conclusions. Math is the only thing that really works.


(1) Geometry is good for some physics, but not all.

I guess my intuition is not always good, but at the core, I want to understand, not just accept. I am not good at memorizing formulas, but when I understand, by looking at formulas, I get some idea how stuff works.

 

[phinds]

I guess my intuition is not always good

No, you seem to have not understood what I said. It's not that your intuition is "not good", it's that for much of physics your intuition is utterly useless and counterproductive.

 

[PeroK]

I guess my intuition is not always good, but at the core, I want to understand, not just accept. I am not good at memorizing formulas, but when I understand, by looking at formulas, I get some idea how stuff works.

What we are trying to say is that this is a serious physics forum, where we treat physics as an academic subject as taught in schools and universities. The only way to understand is to study it thoroughly and systematically.

Those of us who have studied it thoroughly didn't "just accept" stuff; nor were we good at "memorizing formulas". Quite the reverse. We battled away at things we didn't understand and gradually got a grip of the subject and gained a deeper understanding. Whereas, your approach is explicitly superficial.

 

[Owe Kristiansen]

What we are trying to say is that this is a serious physics forum, where we treat physics as an academic subject as taught in schools and universities. The only way to understand is to study it thoroughly and systematically.

Those of us who have studied it thoroughly didn't "just accept" stuff; nor were we good at "memorizing formulas". Quite the reverse. We battled away at things we didn't understand and gradually got a grip of the subject and gained a deeper understanding. Whereas, your approach is explicitly superficial.

Wow, ok, so I am a dummy then? I was allowed to register and post. And you are allowed to use your expert knowledge to guide me if I am off.

 

[TensorCalculus]

Wow, ok, so I am a dummy then? I was allowed to register and post. And you are allowed to use your expert knowledge to guide me if I am off.

If PF was all experts who knew a lot about everything they posted about, then one of the main goals of this site - to help people when they struggle at physics (Like me... I am just a beginner...) - wouldn't be fulfilled. You're not a "dummy" - everyone starts somewhere. But I agree with @PeroK that the approach you are trying to take is superficial...

Also completely agreed with @phinds about the intuition thing. At least from what I've seen, to learn physics, you will need to leave your intuition behind - it will drag you down.

Nevertheless, welcome to PF!

 

[phinds]

Wow, ok, so I am a dummy then? I was allowed to register and post. And you are allowed to use your expert knowledge to guide me if I am off.

YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. In no way did we say or imply that you are a dummy. You are just making that up because we have tried to point out to you that your "intuition" is useless in a serious study of physics and most particularly should you study cosmology or quantum mechanics. As @PeroK said, physics is a serious study and if you actually want to learn it, you have to take it seriously. I realize that you were not aware of it, and that is why we are pointing it out, "intuition" is not a serious way to learn physics.

Also, as I pointed out, geometry IS useful for some physics, but I mean mathematical geometry, not "intuitive" geometry.

We are here to help and of course we will be happy to guide you if you ask questions about science.

EDIT: by the way, I am probably being overly harsh about intuition. We all have some very reasonable and accurate intuition about simply physics. For example, the concept of mechanical leverage is pretty easy to grasp because we've all seen how a see-saw works and that's a perfect example of mechanical leverage.

The problem comes in when we try to extrapolate from our intuition being reasonable with simple physics to thinking that therefore it will work with more complex physics.

 

[Owe Kristiansen]

Ok, thanks. @phinds, @TensorCalculus ans @PeroK. I appreciate to be guided. And also your feedback that I need to listen better.