History of Ki research, and modern Ki research

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The discussion revolves around the history and modern research of "ki" or "qi," exploring its implications in energy studies, physical science, and technology. Participants share various articles and studies that examine the concept of qi, its effects, and its potential scientific validation, while also addressing skepticism regarding these claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants share links to articles discussing the historical context and modern interpretations of energy research related to qi.
  • One participant cites a paper on the external qi emitted by Dr. Yan Xin, claiming it has measurable effects on physical matter, including molecular structures and radioactive isotopes.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the validity of qi's effects on molecular structures and questions the scientific rigor of the claims made by proponents of qi research.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for credible scientific literature and suggest that the claims surrounding qi may not align with established scientific principles.
  • There is a mention of various researchers involved in studies related to qi, highlighting their affiliations with reputable institutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement. While some share resources that support the existence and effects of qi, others challenge these claims and express skepticism about their scientific validity. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing views on the legitimacy of qi research.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various studies and articles, but there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions and methodologies used in these studies. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and beliefs about qi, with no consensus on its scientific standing.

Kilik
Interesting article on the history of energy researches
http://twm.co.nz/energ.html

From a site called PubMed, National Library of medicine
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1353653&dopt=Abstract

Articles about energy development technology
http://spectrum.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/14/3/149
http://www.diamondhead.net/sbtm.htm

Heat and electricity seem part of the spectrum of qi. It is why hot will go to cold and vice versa, and not something else. Energy expresses itself according to qi balance.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8070042

Qi and sound
http://www.chiexplorer.com/infrasonic.html

article
http://www.somatics.de/Oshman.htm

Here's a interesting article. It really seems to be on the right track for future development. The future is in energy and fields of energy-
http://www.yorkkarate.com/Articles/Q%20i&%20Bioelectromagetic%20Energy.pdf

Qi theory fits in well with scientific discoveries
http://www.wwwolf.co.uk/drmunchie/articles/drmunchie-QBC-1and2.pdf

I doubt there's enough money in external qigong for a company to control external qi though.
http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/papers/qigonglyphoma.pdf
http://www.qigonginstitute.org/html/papers.php

Meridians being discovered by machines?
http://www.cihs.edu/whatsnew/research.asp
http://www.cihs.edu/whatsnew/news_sum99.asp
http://www.spiritual.com.au/articles/healing/energeticmedicine_share.htm

ABHORRENT IDEAS IN SCIENCE. Lol
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/abhor.html

http://scenarworld.com/questions.php/
http://scenarworld.com/research/article5.php

"Direct action on the affected areas results in rhythmical contraction of a large number of the myofibrils of the skeletal muscles and smooth muscles of the blood vessel walls. "

It can make you involuntarily flap around. It measures skin resistance and then changes it's current and the person can't adapt

Immunity and the mind -
http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/psufalundafa/homepage/meditation & medical research.htm
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/2002/5/20/195.html
http://clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2002/12/14/29727.html
 
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Science news on Phys.org
Excellent links!
 
Heres another one:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/abstracts/v16n3a4.php

Certain Physical Manifestation and Effects of External Qi of Yan Xin Life Science Technology

This paper reviews a portion of the data generated via the external qi emitted by Dr. Yan Xin. Included here are (1) strong responses developed in LiF thermoluminescent dosimeters, (2) strong responses in aqueous solution structure as probed with laser Raman spectroscopy and (3) alterations in the half-life of 241Am as probed with both Y-ray spectroscopy and a solid-state nuclear track detector. According to the different circumstances, external qi of Dr. Yan Xin can display different attributes such as being distance transcending, bidirectional, reversible, or targeting. Although external qi of Yan Xin Life Science Technology has not been identified with any of the four known and accepted fundamental physical forces, its influence on physical reality is robustly confirmed.
 
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Try a textbook, like physics 101, by Wheeler, et al. Read that and report back. Get off the crackpot sites and try reading about real science. Links available upon request.
 
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Heres the conclusion from my earlier link:

Focusing on Yan Xin Life Science Technology research results in the areas
of physical science and technology, we have come to the following conclusions:
The external qi emitted by Dr. Xin Yan has been detected by physical
detectors and its physical existence has been confirmed. External qi emitted
by Dr. Yan has been found to interact with and affect matter at different levels
from molecular to nuclear levels. Specifically, the external qi from Dr. Yan
significantly affected the molecular structure of liquid water and other water
solution as well as the half-life of radioactive isotope 241Am.
 
Perhaps Dr. Yan is confused. Just how does 'qi' affects the molecular structure of liquid water, other water solution [huh?], and the half-life of Am241. Can't help but wonder what university confers doctorates in cowpiesiology.
 
Chronos said:
Perhaps Dr. Yan is confused. Just how does 'qi' affects the molecular structure of liquid water, other water solution [huh?], and the half-life of Am241. Can't help but wonder what university confers doctorates in cowpiesiology.

The results are in this pdf file:
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/articles/pdf/16.3_yan_etal.pdf

The involved researchers are:

XIN YAN
Chongqing Institute of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Chongqing, China

FENG LU
Reference, Inc., Boston, MA 02110, USA

HONGJIAN JIANG
Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA 02114, USA

XINQI WU
Children’s Hospital/Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA 02115, USA

WEI CAO
Department of Ophthalmology, University of Oklahoma Health Science Center,
Oklahoma City, OK 73104, USA

ZHENQIN XIA
Sangamo BioSciences, Inc., Richmond, CA 94804, USA

HUA SHEN AND JUN WANG
New Medicine Science Research Institute, New York, NY 10107, USA

MING DAO
Department of Materials Science and Engineering,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA

HUI LIN
H&L Materials Development Company, Newton, PA 18940, USA

RUNSHENG ZHU
Institute of High Energy Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing, China

Of course, one can assume they are all just confused.
However, once we start assuming everyone is just confused, then science disintegrates completely.
 
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