How Can a Violinist Adjust String Tension to Play Concert A Precisely?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around how a violinist can adjust string tension to play concert A precisely, given the initial tuning to concert G. Participants explore the relationship between string length, frequency, and tension, focusing on the mathematical approach to determine the maximum allowable percentage change in string tension.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the position to play concert A is approximately 32.67 cm from the bridge, derived from algebraic manipulation of frequency equations.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the percentage change corresponding to a 0.6 cm adjustment at the 32.67 cm position.
  • A further step proposed involves determining how frequency varies with tension, noting that frequency is not a linear function of tension.
  • One participant confirms the relationship between frequency and tension, indicating that frequency is proportional to the square root of tension, which is crucial for solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach needed to solve the problem, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or the final answer regarding the percentage change in tension.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the algebraic steps necessary to calculate the percentage change in tension, and there may be assumptions regarding the accuracy of the frequency-tension relationship that are not explicitly stated.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying the physics of musical instruments, particularly those interested in the mathematical relationships between string tension, frequency, and physical adjustments in tuning.

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A violin string has a length of 0.350 m and is tuned to concert G, with fG = 392 Hz.
Where must the violinist place her finger to play concert A, with fA = 420 Hz?

If this position is to remain correct to half the width of a finger (that is, to within 0.600 cm), what is the maximum allowable percentage change in the string tension?

Ok so I already figured out the first question, the position to play concert A is 32.6666... cm from the bridge. I obtained this answer from dividing the equations, canceling, and solving.
It is the algebra of the second part that is giving me trouble, and I am not sure how to approach it. I am sure it too has to be done by dividing two equations for the frequencies and ending up with with a ratio of the two tensions. I just can't seem to get it.

I really need the answer by 5:00PM Central time, don't know if anyone will be able to solve it, but I'd appreciate any help.
 
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CoryG89 said:
I really need the answer by 5:00PM Central time.
So this is homework then?

Anyway start by figuring out :

1. What percentage change 0.6cm corresponds to at 32.67cm. Then

2. Figure out how (what function of) does the frequency vary with tension.

3. Find the percentage change in tension corresponding to the same percentage change you just calculated in part 1.

Hint : Frequency is NOT a linear function of tension.
 
Thank you for the quick reply. That's the direction I was going in, was just having some trouble. Got it now. And yes, it is sort of homework I guess. More like some general problems to help out with a project.
 
Hi Corey. Did you get that the frequency is proportional to the square root of tension? That's important in this problem.
 

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