How can dark matter exist in a vacuum?

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The discussion revolves around the existence of dark matter in the context of a vacuum. Participants explore the implications of dark matter's properties and its relationship with the concept of vacuum in space, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how dark matter can exist in a vacuum, suggesting a need for clarification on what constitutes a vacuum.
  • Others explain that the vacuum of space is not completely empty and that dark matter is a hypothetical form of matter that does not interact with electromagnetic radiation, making it invisible.
  • One participant emphasizes that a perfect vacuum does not exist, citing quantum fluctuations as a reason for the presence of particles in space.
  • Another participant challenges earlier claims by stating that the vacuum state in quantum mechanics can be stable under certain conditions, but acknowledges that matter permeates the universe, preventing a perfect vacuum.
  • Some participants draw analogies between the vacuum of space around dark matter and that around ordinary matter, suggesting that there is no inherent paradox in their coexistence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of vacuum and dark matter, with no consensus reached on the implications of dark matter existing in a vacuum. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and conditions surrounding these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of vacuum, the role of quantum fluctuations, and the implications of the cosmological constant on the vacuum state. These factors contribute to the complexity of the discussion without clear resolutions.

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So if space is a vacuum, how can we have dark matter? What does it contain that means that space still acts like a vacuum?
 
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The vacuum of space is never completely empty. There are always some particles in space.
Dark matter is a different thing altogether.
Dark matter is a hypothetical type of matter comprising approximately 27% of the mass and energy in the observable universe that is not accounted for by dark energy, baryonic matter (ordinary matter), and neutrinos. The name refers to the fact that it does not emit or interact with electromagnetic radiation, such as light, and is thus invisible to the entire electromagnetic spectrum. Although dark matter has not been directly observed, its existence and properties are inferred from its gravitational effects such as the motions of visible matter, gravitational lensing, its influence on the universe's large-scale structure, and its effects in the cosmic microwave background. Dark matter is transparent to electromagnetic radiation and/or is so dense and small that it fails to absorb or emit enough radiation to be detectable with current imaging technology.
 
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There is no such thing as a perfect vacuum. There isn't even in theory, quantum fluctuations don't allow it. Some packets of space are simply less dense than others, and what you consider dense it highly relative. To a neutrino, matter is just slightly polluted space.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
There is no such thing as a perfect vacuum. There isn't even in theory, quantum fluctuations don't allow it. Some packets of space are simply less dense than others, and what you consider dense it highly relative. To a neutrino, matter is just slightly polluted space.
This isn't entirely correct. The vacuum state in quantum mechanics is stable and zero-temperature as long as there is no cosmological constant. It's just that in practice matter permeates our universe, such that there's no such thing of a perfect vacuum in our observable universe. Plus it looks like we have a non-zero cosmological constant.
 
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oliviaawheeler said:
So if space is a vacuum, how can we have dark matter?
If space is a vacuum, how can we have regular matter?

There's no paradox. The (relative) vacuum of space in the vicinity of dark matter is analogous to the vacuum of space in the vicinity of matter-more-mundane.
 

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