How can majorana neutrinos still be CP violating?

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The discussion centers around the question of how Majorana neutrinos, which are theorized to be their own antiparticles, can still exhibit CP violation. Participants explore the implications of Majorana neutrinos on CP violation within the context of particle physics, particularly focusing on theoretical frameworks and mixing matrices.

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  • One participant questions the compatibility of Majorana neutrinos being their own antiparticles with the concept of CP violation.
  • Another participant suggests that CP violation can be introduced through phase angles in the CKM matrix, prompting a discussion on its relevance to neutrinos.
  • A participant explains the PMNS matrix, which describes the mixing of neutrino states, and notes that CP violation can arise from complex phases in this matrix.
  • It is mentioned that the rephasing of Majorana neutrinos is restricted, which could allow for more CP-violating phases in the PMNS matrix compared to the CKM matrix.
  • One participant clarifies that a CP eigenstate can still exhibit CP violation if its eigenvalue is not conserved, despite the Majorana nature of neutrinos.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the relationship between Majorana neutrinos and CP violation, with some agreeing on the theoretical frameworks while others seek clarification. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives on the implications of Majorana neutrinos.

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Limitations include the complexity of the mathematical relationships involved and the dependence on specific definitions of CP eigenstates and mixing matrices. The discussion does not resolve the nuances of these concepts.

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This question is probably very over-simplistic, however: if neutrinos are majorana particles, which are their own antiparticles, how could they still be CP violating?

I don't understand precisely how this would work, but physicists I have spoken to said that neutrinos being majorana could still be consistent with CP violation.

Thank you for any help!
 
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you can always have CP violation if you introduce phase angles in the CKM matrix... how is that connected to the nature of neutrinos?
 
There is a mixing matrix, the PMNS matrix, which (Wikipedia) "contains information on the mismatch of quantum states of leptons when they propagate freely and when they take part in the weak interactions". Like the corresponding CKM matrix for quarks, it is a 3x3 unitary matrix. CP-violation results from complex phases of the matrix elements.

The number of independent parameters in the PMNS matrix can be reduced by rephasing the lepton fields

j → exp(iφj) ℓj

with arbitrary φj's, which leaves the charged lepton mass terms invariant. However, due to the Majorana nature of the neutrinos, the rephasing

νj → exp(iψj) νj

is not allowed, since it would not keep the Majorana mass terms invariant.

Consequently, if neutrinos are Majorana, the PMNS matrix can contain more CP-violating phases than the CKM matrix. In general there will be three mixing angles and three phases.

(Remarks largely lifted from this paper.)
 
This question is probably very over-simplistic, however: if neutrinos are majorana particles, which are their own antiparticles, how could they still be CP violating?

It seems that you are thinking intuitivley, if there is no distinct neutrino and anti neutrino , how could there be asymmetry bewteen the two?

Well, for examples , a CP eigenstate ( a state that is its own anti particle) has an eigenvalue. It can be 1 ( cp even) or -1 (cp odd). If this isn't conserved, you have CP violation.
 
Thank you, that makes much more sense now! I was thinking about it in the way that ofirg said, without really understanding the reasoning/maths. The paper explains it all very well.
 

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