How can you explore coin combinations without making change?

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The discussion revolves around exploring the combinations of coins that can be used to make different sums without making change. Participants are tasked with calculating the number of distinct sums that can be formed using a specific set of coins, including scenarios where the types of coins are altered.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the phrase "without making change" and proposes a method to calculate different sums using 2 dollars, 2 quarters, and 3 nickels.
  • Another participant suggests that the tricky part of the problem involves understanding the equivalence of coins, specifically that 2 nickels equal 1 dime.
  • A participant reiterates the need to find a different set of coins that generates the same sums as the original set.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the meaning of "without making change," emphasizing the use of all coins without receiving change back or exchanging coins of equal value.
  • One participant proposes a modified version of the problem to simplify the calculations by using only nickels and dimes.
  • A calculation is presented showing that using 2 dimes and 3 nickels can yield 23 different sums when combined with dollars.
  • A participant expresses gratitude after understanding how to respond to the question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the problem and the calculations for part (a), but there is uncertainty and lack of consensus regarding the approach to part (b) and the implications of the coin equivalences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the relationship between nickels and dimes, indicating that the intersection of these coins complicates the calculations. There are also differing interpretations of how to approach the problem when changing the types of coins.

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This question seems easy, but I don't understand what it's mean with "without making change". Could someone help me?

If you have 2 dollars, 2 quarter and 3 nickels:

a) how many different sums can you pay without making change?

b) Change the quarters into dimes and answer again.
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This question is in a book and the answers are:
a)35 (0 sum being excluded);
b)23
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To the item (a), I did this way:
if it can to be used [0,1 or 2] dollars, [0,1 or 2] quarters and [0,1,2, or 3] nickels, then there are 3x3x4 = 36 - 1 = 35 different sums, excluding the 0 sum.
Is my reasoning correct?
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I don't find the answer to item (b). Could you help me ?
 
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The tricky part for (b) is, of course, that 2 Nickels = 1 Dime. Perhaps you can find a different, easier set of coins that will generate the same sums as 2 dollars, 2 dimes, and 3 nickels?
 
I didn't understand yet

NateTG said:
The tricky part for (b) is, of course, that 2 Nickels = 1 Dime. Perhaps you can find a different, easier set of coins that will generate the same sums as 2 dollars, 2 dimes, and 3 nickels?

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I am trying, but I still don't obtaining the answer to part (b). Do you know how to do this ?
 
In this context "without making change" means:

1. using up all the coins and getting no money back from the seller,

and

2. not exchanging any coins with coins of the same aggregate value but of different individual values. (e.g. you are not allowed to replace 1 Real with four 0.25 Reals.)
 
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Part (b) is asking "how would your answer to part (a) be modified if we took away the two 0.25 Reals and gave you five 0.10 Reals?" (Now you have 2 dollars, 5 dimes and 3 nickels.)
 
Alexsandro said:
To the item (a), I did this way:
if it can to be used [0,1 or 2] dollars, [0,1 or 2] quarters and [0,1,2, or 3] nickels, then there are 3x3x4 = 36 - 1 = 35 different sums, excluding the 0 sum.
Is my reasoning correct?
Seems correct to me.
 
Your problem is that the nickels and dimes intersect, right?

Let's try an easier version:

How many different sums can you make with 7 nickels?
How many different sums can you make with 3 dimes and 1 nickel?
 
Using 2 dimes and 3 nickels,all the amonts within 1 dollar thar can be paid are
0c,5c,10c,15c,20c,25c,30c,35c which is 8
So when combined with $ it is
8*3-1(exclude 0$)=23
 
Thanks

Thanks, I understood and I could response this question!
 

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