How do photon-electron transitions relate to frequency and motion?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between photon-electron transitions, frequency, and motion, exploring theoretical implications of energy and mass in the context of light. Participants examine the significance of frequency in these transitions and the mathematical relationships that may arise from them.

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  • One participant proposes that frequency is crucial in understanding photon-electron transitions and suggests a relationship involving E=Mc^2 and a derived equation E - M A'cf.
  • Another participant questions the derivation of the proposed relationship, expressing skepticism about the mixing of units and variables, and challenges the validity of the claims made.
  • A later reply corrects the initial statement, suggesting that the ubiquity of photon-electron transitions might lie in A' and f, and introduces the idea that small areas per unit time imply high frequency, while large areas imply low frequency.
  • Further, the same participant emphasizes the need for a clear justification for the equality "A'f = c^2" and insists on adherence to established physics principles rather than speculative reasoning.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity and derivation of the proposed relationships. There is no consensus on the implications of the equations or the correctness of the initial claims.

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Participants highlight potential confusion arising from the mixing of units and symbols, as well as the need for clear derivations in physics discussions. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the proposed relationships and their implications.

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So, now I look at a peculiar situation with light photon motion and growth.. Can anyone comment on this thought?

Assume frequency is VERY important.

Then, E=Mc^2 might imply

E- M A'cf where
(a) A' is meters squared per sec, i.e., m^2/t (lower case m is meters!) and
(b) f is frequency, i.e., 1/t
(c) c is light velocity, m/sec

such that c^2 is identical in units to A'cf, i.e. (m^2/sec)(1/sec)(m/sec) =(m^2/sec^2)

So the ubiquity of photon-electron transitions lie in A' and f!
If A'f = c, then c^2 implies A'f =c. But if not, strange things come out of this..
 
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SdogV said:
So, now I look at a peculiar situation with light photon motion and growth.. Can anyone comment on this thought?

Assume frequency is VERY important.

Then, E=Mc^2 might imply

E- M A'cf where

How does one "imply" the other? What's the direct derivation from one to the other. It seems as if you simply made it up. And not only that, you're mixing the units with the symbol of the variable. This is very strange.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
How does one "imply" the other? What's the direct derivation from one to the other. It seems as if you simply made it up. And not only that, you're mixing the units with the symbol of the variable. This is very strange.

Correction:
So the ubiquity of photon-electron transitions might lie in A' and f!
IF A'f = c^2, then small areas per unit time imply a high frequency, while large areas per unit time imply a small frequency.. Strange things come out of this when applied to mass "lifetimes" times frequency, i.e. (Kg/sec)(1/sec) = Kg.
 
SdogV said:
ZapperZ said:
How does one "imply" the other? What's the direct derivation from one to the other. It seems as if you simply made it up. And not only that, you're mixing the units with the symbol of the variable. This is very strange.

Correction:
So the ubiquity of photon-electron transitions might lie in A' and f!
IF A'f = c^2, then small areas per unit time imply a high frequency, while large areas per unit time imply a small frequency.. Strange things come out of this when applied to mass "lifetimes" times frequency, i.e. (Kg/sec)(1/sec) = Kg.

You never answered my question. What allows you to make the equality "A'f = c^2"? Physics doesn't involve making things up as you go along.

Please review the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374" before proceeding any further. You only have one chance left to address this clearly before this thread is closed.

Zz
 
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