How do we know everything in the universe is matter? (versus antimatter)

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The discussion revolves around the distinction between matter and antimatter in the universe, exploring the implications of their asymmetry and the potential existence of antimatter regions. Participants question the assumptions underlying current observations and theories regarding the predominance of matter over antimatter.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the search for matter-antimatter asymmetry assumes that our observations are exclusively of matter.
  • Others introduce the concepts of dark energy and dark matter, implying that these factors complicate the matter-antimatter discussion.
  • There is a proposal that large regions of the universe could consist of antimatter without our knowledge, raising questions about the observable universe.
  • One participant notes the absence of annihilation signs at matter/antimatter boundaries, which could indicate the separation of these regions.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of boundaries, suggesting that the location of these boundaries is speculative and may lie beyond our observable universe.
  • Concerns are raised about introducing unknown mechanisms that could break symmetry between matter and antimatter, potentially contradicting the cosmological principle.
  • Some participants argue that any theory explaining the separation of matter and antimatter would need to address conditions at the Big Bang, complicating the discussion further.
  • One viewpoint posits that a separation of matter and antimatter would violate the second law of thermodynamics, likening it to the impossibility of forming pure pockets of substances in a mixed solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of matter and antimatter, the implications of their asymmetry, and the conditions of the early universe. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of boundaries between matter and antimatter, assumptions about the conditions at the Big Bang, and the implications of dark matter and dark energy on the discussion.

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As opposed to antimatter, that is. The whole search for the asymmetry of matter vs antimatter seems to rest on the implicit assumption that what we observe is matter, not antimatter, no?
Is there a way of distinguishing from afar between the two?
 
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Sir, you missed the occurrence of dark energy and dark matter too...

But symetry is natural and follows set axioms in fields of nature and science, doesn't it? :)
 
K.Anshuman said:
But symetry is natural and follows set axioms in fields of nature and science, doesn't it? :)

Yes, but the symmetry is clearly broken, that is the point of all the investigations whether matter and antimatter behave exactly the same.
My question is, could not whole parts of the universe consist of antimatter and we simply wouldn't know?
 
There's no signs of annihilation at matter/antimatter region boundaries. An issue that only gets exacerbated the further back in time you look, when matter was packed closer together.
 
Bandersnatch said:
There's no signs of annihilation at matter/antimatter region boundaries.

I guess that kinda depends on where you postulate those boundaries to be :smile:
But yeah, I can see how you can probably model those scenarios and look at what the distribution should be these days. Then again, there's a lot to the universe that we just can't observe (and never will, since it's receding faster than light); there's maybe the chance that the boundary region lies outside of the observable universe.
 
Then you'd encounter the issue of 'how come enough matter to comprise the whole of the observable universe separated from the equal amount of antimatter'.
Rather than saving symmetry this way, you're introducing some unknown mechanism that breaks the symmetry in favour of matter in some places, and in favour in antimatter in other places. All casually disconnected, so that'd be in contradiction of the cosmological principle (different laws of physics for different regions).
 
Well, I think any reasonably convincing theory of that kind would probably rely on something having been different right at the Big Bang. I agree, saying that different parts of the universe behave differently opens a totally different can of worms, as you'd just be shifting the lack of explanation somewhere else.
 
I would think that a separation of matter and anti matter like the OP describes would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics - like adding sugar and salt to water and having each substance form pure pockets rather than mixing.
 

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