How does number density relate to probabilty density

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between number density and probability density in the context of particle physics. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and implications of these concepts, particularly in relation to Lorentz invariant phase space and wave functions.

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  • One participant questions how number density relates to probability density, specifically in particle physics.
  • Another participant finds the initial question vague and seeks clarification on the relationship between probability density and number density as presented in their study materials.
  • A participant references a formula involving probability density and Lorentz invariant number density, suggesting a connection that needs further exploration.
  • Concerns are raised about the interpretation of the symbol 'p', with some participants suggesting it may represent a distribution function rather than probability density.
  • Discussion includes the integral representation of number density and its relation to phase space, indicating a complex relationship that may not be straightforward.
  • One participant elaborates on the structure of wave functions, arguing that certain expressions cannot be considered wave functions due to their mathematical nature.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions and roles of probability density and distribution functions, indicating that there is no consensus on these concepts. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of terminology, the need for clearer definitions, and the complexity of relating different mathematical representations in particle physics.

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I was just wondering how number density relates to probability density in general, within particle physics?

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This question is way too vague.
 
Khashishi said:
This question is way too vague.
I'm currently studying particle physics and when talking about the lorentz invariant phase space factor in the notes it starts off with the probability density of a free relativistic particle being p=2E|N|^2 and then goes on to say the lorentz invariant number density becomes dn=d^3r/(2pi)^3p where r is the momentum of the particle and p the probability density. I was just wondering why the probability density is included within the number density formula and how it related to the number density. The number density formula was derived from a single particle in a quantised box.
 
are you sure p is probability density? I thought it was a distribution function ... giving the occupation within a volume in the 6D phase space (3 momenta and 3 positions). Such that the integral you have written N = \int n \diff^3x = \int \frac{\diff^3 p}{(2 \pi)^3} f(p)
1. you already wrote how they are related...
 
ChrisVer said:
are you sure p is probability density? I thought it was a distribution function ... giving the occupation within a volume in the 6D phase space (3 momenta and 3 positions). Such that the integral you have written N = \int n \diff^3x = \int \frac{\diff^3 p}{(2 \pi)^3} f(p)
1. you already wrote how they are related...
p = <v|v> where v represents a wavefunction, can that also be a distribution function?
 
Distribution of what?
 
A wave function (applicable in non-relativistic quantum theory or at very low-energy relativistic cases, where the non-relativistic approximation is not too bad) is always of the structure ##\langle a|\psi \rangle##, where ##|a \rangle## denotes a orthonormal system of (generalized) common eigenvectors of a complete set of compatible observables and ##|\psi \rangle## is a representing normalized vector of a pure state. An expression like ##\langle v|v \rangle## is just a scalar product of a vector with itself, i.e., its norm squared and cannot be a wave function, because it's just a single number.
 

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