How does one describe the energy of space to the public?

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The discussion revolves around how to effectively communicate the concept of energy in space to the public, particularly in relation to vacuum energy and its implications in physics. Participants explore the challenges of explaining abstract concepts and the current understanding within the physics community.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the clarity of the term "energy of space" and whether there is a self-consistent theory that the physics community agrees upon.
  • There is a reference to Richard Feynman's assertion that energy is an abstract concept and that current physics lacks a definitive understanding of what energy truly is.
  • One participant highlights the significant discrepancy in vacuum energy calculations, noting that quantum field theory predictions are vastly different from observed values.
  • Another participant suggests that explaining vacuum energy to the public may be impractical due to the complexity of the concept and the general public's limited understanding of advanced mathematics.
  • An analogy comparing space to an ocean with waves is proposed as a potential way to convey the idea of energy in space to a lay audience.
  • It is mentioned that while empty space has potential energy, it is at the lowest possible energy state, and the concept of zero energy is described as an accounting convenience.
  • There is a question regarding the relationship between vacuum energy and dark energy, indicating ongoing uncertainty in the field.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of explaining the energy of space to the public, with some emphasizing the challenges and others proposing analogies. There is no consensus on a unified explanation or understanding of the concept.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current theories and the abstract nature of energy, as well as the unresolved discrepancies in vacuum energy calculations. These factors contribute to the complexity of conveying these ideas to a general audience.

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See Subject. How does one simply explain that space is permeated by energy and what it represents? Feynman mentions that we really do not know what it is, but yet we do know how the calculate it. How do we know that it's there (in space)?
 
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What do you mean by the "energy of space" Do we really have a self-consistent theory that the physics community agrees on? I think the answer is no. If that's the case, should we be trying to explain it to the public?
 
Feynman mentions that we really do not know what it is, but yet we do know how the calculate it.
If he meant vacuum energy, there's an appropriate saying where I come from: you can't misguess as badly as you can miscalculate. (my translation, feel free to correct it)
 
Even with renormalization the vacuum energy calculated by QFT is something like 120 orders of magnitude off from the real value...I don't think we can exactly explain something even physicists don't know much about to the general public...
 
To be specific,

"It is important to realize that in physics today, we have no knowledge of what energy is ... It is an abstract thing ..." -- Richard Feynman

In his Character of Physical Laws, he pretty much suggests it's an accounting system. He gives some simple examples with a child misplacing balls in his room, and his mother figuring out the number missing. Galileo hints at something abstract with a ball rolling down a ramp and up another ramp to the same height (almost). That was probably the beginning of the idea. It was something begging for an answer. Another related idea is entropy. It's a property of matter, and one can talk (briefly!) about orderliness. The, of course, there's E=mc**2.

I guess for the public or layman, some hand waving is needed. My need is really not to lecture or provide a simple talk exclusively about energy. It's to give some credence to it when generally talking about with respect to space and the universe.
 
To be fair, most of the public thinks of energy as glowy flowy stuff. As in "it's made of pure energy!" Most people also don't understand calculus or what an integral is. So trying to explain vacuum energy to them in a physically acceptable way is probably off the table.

The only way I can think of is to say something like: "When you look really closely, space is like the ocean; it has waves that push and pull, but over time they push equally in all directions, so if you zoom out they aren't really noticeable."
 
Not a bad analogy. I may use it.
 
Under modern theory empty space has potential energy. But, you cannot extract useful energy from empty space, it is already at the lowest possible energy state. Calling it zero is merely an accounting convenience. It does not matter what it 'really' is, only that it is zero relative to matter.
 
Matterwave said:
Even with renormalization the vacuum energy calculated by QFT is something like 120 orders of magnitude off from the real value...I don't think we can exactly explain something even physicists don't know much about to the general public...

Isn't this discrepancy only when you try to equate the vacuum energy with the observed dark energy?
 

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