How far can transmissions go in space?

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The discussion centers around the communication capabilities of NASA's New Horizons probe, specifically focusing on how far its transmitter can effectively communicate in space. Participants explore the technology behind the transmission, including factors like signal dispersion and background noise, as well as the implications of distance on signal strength.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that electromagnetic signals disperse over distance, raising questions about how far the New Horizons transmitter can communicate without significant loss.
  • One participant mentions that the New Horizons antenna transmits at about 10 watts, contrasting it with typical radio stations that transmit at 50,000 watts, suggesting that the ability to receive signals from such distances is due to advanced listening technology.
  • Another participant points out that at some distance, signals become lost in background noise, but acknowledges that advancements in technology have improved the limits of communication.
  • It is noted that when the distance is doubled, the received power decreases to a quarter of its original strength, indicating a significant drop in signal power over distance, although the exact implications for communication beyond Pluto are not settled.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the factors affecting signal transmission and reception, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the limits of communication distance and the technology involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific conditions under which the New Horizons probe's signals are received, including the effects of background noise and the technical capabilities of receiving equipment.

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NASA's New Horizons probe can send us communications from Pluto.

Q: How far can that transmitter communicate? Twice, 3 times, not much further?

To me, electromagnetic signals must disperse, but this one seems to have no loss...

I am fascinated by the technology, be it directional antennas?, QAM? Any leads appreciated!
 
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cellurl said:
NASA's New Horizons probe can send us communications from Pluto.

Q: How far can that transmitter communicate? Twice, 3 times, not much further?

To me, electromagnetic signals must disperse, but this one seems to have no loss...

I am fascinated by the technology, be it directional antennas?, QAM? Any leads appreciated!
The antenna on New Horizons transmits at about 10 watts. A typical radio station transmits at 50,000 watts. The only reason that we can pick up the signal from that distance, is we have really big ears listening. And it isn't even science fiction. :wink:

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At some point the signal gets lost in background noise, but technology has made great strides recently and that limit continues to be improved.
 
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cellurl said:
NASA's New Horizons probe can send us communications from Pluto.

Q: How far can that transmitter communicate? Twice, 3 times, not much further?

To me, electromagnetic signals must disperse, but this one seems to have no loss...

I am fascinated by the technology, be it directional antennas?, QAM? Any leads appreciated!
Further to what people have said, when the distance is doubled the received power will be a quarter. That sounds a lot, but it means that when the probe is twice as far as Pluto (another nine years?) the signal will have dropped by just 6 decibels.
 

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