How is Inflation Affecting Your Daily Expenses?

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The discussion centers on the rising costs of goods and services, highlighting both inflation and shrinkflation—where products are sold at the same price but with reduced quantities. Participants share personal experiences of increased prices for everyday items such as gas, groceries, and rent, with some noting significant hikes in costs, particularly in food and housing. The conversation touches on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on pricing, suggesting that some price increases may be temporary while others could indicate a longer-term trend. There is a call for more objective data on inflation, mentioning U.S. indexes like the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and Producer Price Index (PPI), and how these figures may understate actual inflation due to measurement methods. The discussion also explores the potential for sustained inflation due to factors like supply chain disruptions, labor shortages, and increased demand as the economy recovers.
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I think this topic deserves its own thread after a few mini rants w/ feedback.

Unless you've been living in a cave, you probably have noticed the price of goods and services rising in your daily life at a faster than normal pace. Sometimes it's not an inflation of price, but rather shrinkflation (same price, less product).

What are you paying for everyday items currently (this shall be an ongoing tracker)?

Gas? It's $2.85 here. Medical? My dental cleanings went from $120 to $156. Groceries? Eating Out? Rents? Nice neighborhood 2-bedroom apt. went from $1,200 to $1,500 here. ...etc. Feel free to rant (prices going up) or rave (prices going down) about anything inflation/disinflation/deflation-related you want.
 
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So, this thread is not about slowly rolling inflation, it's about something much slower?

More seriously, I think that "Finanical" or "Economic" should be added to the start of the thread's title, as a thread on rants and raves about physics inflation might also be appropriate for the General Discussion Forum of Physics Forums.
 
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I am not sure anecdotal "rants and raves" are of much interest to the majority of members of PF; we are naturally inclined towards objective data. In the UK we have access to a great deal of inflation data via the Office of National Statistics - perhaps you have something similar in the US?
 
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I am not sure anecdotal "rants and raves" are of much interest to the majority of members of PF
That and it doesn't do any good anyway.
 
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kyphysics said:
Unless you've been living in a cave, you probably have noticed the price of goods and services rising in your daily life at a faster than normal pace. Sometimes it's not an inflation of price, but rather shrinkflation (same price, less product).
We'll have to see how things shake out after the pandemic wanes. Some of this is pandemic specific and not really inflation.
 
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My rants are far older than the latest round of "whatever the market will bear". Before I depart the planet I would love to be able to again purchase:
  1. A one pound can of coffee (now 11,12,or 13 oz)
  2. A half gallon of ice cream (now 48 oz)
  3. A 16 oz can of corn (now 14.5 oz)
  4. Orange juice half gallon (now 52 oz)
There is no excuse. Froggy in warming water...
 
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My rants are far older than the latest round of "whatever the market will bear". Before I depart the planet I would love to be able to again purchase:
  1. A one pound can of coffee (now 11,12,or 13 oz)
  2. A half gallon of ice cream (now 48 oz)
  3. A 16 oz can of corn (now 14.5 oz)
  4. Orange juice half gallon (now 52 oz)
There is no excuse. Froggy in warming water...
Yep, and soap. Not only did they discontinue Zest (er...re-formulated it so it dissolves), but now bar soaps come in stupid shapes so they can be lighter. Does this really fool anyone/help market them?!
 
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pbuk said:
I am not sure anecdotal "rants and raves" are of much interest to the majority of members of PF; we are naturally inclined towards objective data. In the UK we have access to a great deal of inflation data via the Office of National Statistics - perhaps you have something similar in the US?
Both are welcome - anecdotal "data" (for fun rant purposes) and "officially" tracked price data. :cool:

In the U.S., we have the following major indexes:

CPI (Consumer Price Index): https://www.bls.gov/cpi/
PPI (Producer Price Index): https://www.bls.gov/ppi/home.htm
PCE Deflator (Personal Consumption Expenditure): https://www.bea.gov/data/personal-consumption-expenditures-price-index

The BLS tracks CPI and PPI, which most economists use. The BEA tracks PCE, which the Federal Reserve uses and which many economists bemoan understates inflation, due to consumers' two biggest expenditures of housing and healthcare being unrealistically measured using homeowner's equivalent rent and Medicare reimbursement rates, respectively. Most Americans don't pay those rates in reality, so they get eye-rolls from economists. Understating inflation conveniently allows the Fed to keep interest rates low it is argued. If measuring inflation the way it was done pre-1990's in the U.S., it is said we'd be seeing 6%+ annual inflation vs. the roughly 2% (officially stated by the Federal Reserve) for the past decade or two.

I don't have a Bloomberg Terminal or access to other economic data sets, but fintwit*** routinely has "free" posted charts of inflation data on the component level and other related information. Anyone is welcome to post officially tracked data in addition to anecdotal stuff.

***fintwit = financial Twitter ...Raoul Pal has said it's been game-changing, as you have literally the sharpest minds in high finance posting (often anonymously) for the public to see in a highly supportive, collaborative community the likes of which doesn't seem to exist in other fields. It's a great resource. ...You often have heads of various departments of the Big Banks on Wallstreet or some other high finance institution posting in non-competitive/collaborative ways there and answering very complicated questions that likely few other experts have dealt with. Anonymity is key for many (although, many post under real names too), as they are in highly sensitive positions, but Pal has said he's confirmed some of these individuals' identities privately, while others are still anonymous. If used wisely, fintwit can be a great resource and educational tool.
 
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From the CPI:
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My experience with food suggests a great deal more than 2-3%, but that could be mostly COVID production issues, especially meat products.
 
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ChemAir said:
My experience with food suggests a great deal more than 2-3%, but that could be mostly COVID production issues, especially meat products.
If year-over-year food inflation is coming off May 2020's base, then it's possible food had already inflated heavily by then from COVID.

I know paper products (toilet paper, napkins, towels, etc.) and food (esp., meat) were among the first items to inflate last year. Since reported inflation figures are usually YOY (month-over-month exists too, but usually isn't the official reported figure), it may be that you're getting an already high base.

*just speculation - am not sure/have not looked*

I've reported shrinkflation at Chick-Fil-A and Panda Express in the past two months.

eta: There's this chart I've seen (and many others supporting huge food inflation from the producer side...not sure how much is getting passed down on the consumer side, but from news stories, it's happening now already at many chain restaurants ...):
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...oost-menu-prices-at-fast-clip-to-recoup-costs
U.S. restaurants, faced with higher food and labor costs, are raising menu prices at a much faster pace than historical rates, insistent on preserving profits after an arduous year.

From local restaurants to national chains like Chipotle Mexican Grill Inc., owners have boosted prices by as much as 5% in the past few weeks alone. Even at fast-food companies that were locked in price wars just a couple of years ago to win over cost-conscious consumers, increases aren’t taboo anymore.

“We are going to be paying higher prices in restaurants,” said David Henkes, senior principal at industry researcher Technomic. “Part of the calculus right now is there’s probably some appetite of consumers to pay whatever because they haven’t been out for a while.”

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/diners-expect-menu-subsitutions-restaurants-costs-rise
"Right now you’re looking at significant food cost increases -- a case of chicken was $40, now it’s about $130 per case. Prices are going up at about 1.5% or 2% per month. You’re going to start seeing the dumbing down of food [on menus as a way for restaurants] to try to stay ahead of this inflation," Ed Rensi, the former CEO of McDonald’s USA, told FOX Business Thursday.

Data from the U.S. Labor Department’s consumer price index released Thursday shows that prices for products have surged 5% from a year earlier, the biggest increase since the 5.3% surge in August 2008 ahead of the financial crisis.
 
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Food production is getting hit coming and going. When the restaurants closed they had to shift to distributing to consumers, and there was a cost and waste associated. Shifting back is another cost. That's in addition to labor problems everywhere. Again, we'll have to see how this all shakes out, but we may well see food prices drop over the next year.

Restaurant prices have some separate/additional issues, but they are still in flux as well. The pandemic era economic stimulus that propped up workers added cost for restaurants and has galvanized support for large minimum wage increases. On the flip side it also accelerated automation to eliminate some of those jobs.
 
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Note that energy costs went down by ~20% the year before. 20% down and 28% up is +2.4% up. Or 1.2% per year.
 
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russ_watters said:
Food production is getting hit coming and going. When the restaurants closed they had to shift to distributing to consumers, and there was a cost and waste associated. Shifting back is another cost. That's in addition to labor problems everywhere. Again, we'll have to see how this all shakes out, but we may well see food prices drop over the next year.
I'm agnostic on the long-term/sustained inflation vs. deflation debate and find it nice to just be able to vent about current inflation. :-p

I think there are good arguments for both sides. A big factor would be whether we get any further stimulus that puts $ into Main Street's wallets. If so, I would see that leaning towards more sustained general inflation.

re: wage inflation - September marks the end to unemployment-related stimulus, so those earning more on it who return to work may see lower wages. A local restauranteur here was in the news for having to shut down his business until September (when he said he'd reopen). He specifically cited an inability to find workers at a desirable wage he could pay and felt UI was offering people more to not work than work and people were taking advantage. Wage inflation (at least, in lower-income industries) could be coming down after September.

re: housing/rental inflation If the Fed exits QE buying of mortage-backed securities, this could soften some of the inflation in the red hot housing market (albeit, lots of first-time buyers are already priced out). I'm not optimistic on the rental side. I feel like we're getting a repeat of post-2009 crisis buy-to-rent, but with a twist. After the foreclosure crisis, banks and private equity bought up lots of houses for cents on the dollar and continued to buy up new housing to rent them back out to ruined and desperate Americans. A ton of the new housing built right before COVID was going to buy-to-rent demand already. We've seen that continue post-COVID and with more big institution players doing it and buying at massively marked up prices.

Once the dust settles on foreclosure and eviction/rent moratoriums and people have to find a place to live and are returning to work, they may be in for a nasty surprise with rents.

re: oil inflation Wrecked unprofitable U.S. shale companies that kept oil cheap for the past decade won't be around in the coming decade most likely (venture capital and financial institutions aren't pouring money into them anymore) to give us a cheap source of supply, while ESG trends and Go Green movements will depress investment into the space as well. Reduced drilling and capex means less supply as well. The surviving oil producers will have to use their own free cash flow to invest in new drilling, which means prices have to rise to justify expenditures (on top of supply dynamics). I can see sustained oil price inflation going forward.
 
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kyphysics said:
eta: There's this chart I've seen (and many others supporting huge food inflation from the producer side...not sure how much is getting passed down on the consumer side, but from news stories, it's happening now already at many chain restaurants ...):
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That also seems to suggest a price increase greater than the 2 or 3 percent as shown in the chart I linked (this looks more like 20-30%+). But I don't know how this is being calculated, and it is international, where the previous chart was US CPI.

My personal wallet says food is up on the order of 15-25%, mostly in the meat department. Hopefully this is primarily a pricing spike.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Note that energy costs went down by ~20% the year before. 20% down and 28% up is +2.4% up. Or 1.2% per year.
Yeah, oil's just mostly been recovering. But, I think a good thesis can be made for longer-term sustained higher prices. We'll have to see.

I greatly enjoyed my $1.95 regular pump price last year.
 
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ChemAir said:
My personal wallet says food is up on the order of 15-25%, mostly in the meat department. Hopefully this is primarily a pricing spike.
My Lays chips have BOTH shrinkflated and inflated in price! Their "regular sizes" used to be 9 oz. ...now 7/7.5/8oz. (depending on which month I buy them) AND a higher price!
 
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Is it inflation when I shop at Whole Foods for the first time?
 
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https://www.npr.org/sections/money/...re-of-shrinkflation-inflations-devious-cousin
He grabbed an old box of Cocoa Puffs and put it side by side with the new one. Aha! The tip he had received was right on the money. General Mills had downsized the contents of its "family size" boxes from 19.3 ounces to 18.1 ounces.

Dworsky went to the checkout aisle, and both boxes — gasp! — were the same price. It was an open-and-shut case: General Mills is yet another perpetrator of "shrinkflation."
NPR had an article on shrinkflation today.
 
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russ_watters said:
shake out...

On the flip side...

I see what you did there...
 
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These Rudy Haverstein "New York Fed cartoons" are cute:

 
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I think the rent thing is likely to reverse. Right now the vacancy rate is low and the not-paying-rent rate is high, so landlords need to raise rents to pay the bills. After they can evict the non-payers or start collecting rent from them, they will have a downward pressure/incentive.

Also, as my morning commute tells me, driving hasn't recovered much yet, so oil production isn't going to have recovered yet.
 
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russ_watters said:
Also, as my morning commute tells me, driving hasn't recovered much yet, so oil production isn't going to have recovered yet.
Anecdotally, the traffic in my area is almost back to normal. It "feels" about 10% off pre-COVID. Although, with a good number of hybrid WFH arrangements persisting into the reopening phase, I wonder if there simply won't just be a chunk that never goes back to work full-time on-site.

The longer-term thesis for higher oil prices, though, is that supply constraints will outweigh demand dynamics. The slower global pace of vaccinations and new Delta variant wreaking havoc may hamper oil demand for another year though.

This will be fun to track. :)
 
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Nothing to see here.
 
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Lauren Campos opened the door to her Phoenix apartment last week to find a note stuck in the door frame. Her rent was going up nearly $400 a month, the note said, a 33 percent increase. . .

“It almost feels like there is nowhere to go. It’s just insane everywhere,” said Campos, 28, a lifelong Phoenix resident who has noticed a growing number of California license plates in her complex’s parking lot. “It feels like I’m being chased out of my own home, and it’s the worst feeling in the world.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/07/09/rent-prices-rising/
Welcome to the club. . .my city has been this way too.
Nationwide, rent prices are up 7.5 percent so far this year, three times higher than normal, according to data from Apartments.com. Analysts expect rent prices to keep climbing for the foreseeable future, a major burden for renters and a warning sign that higher inflation could linger far longer than the White House and Federal Reserve keep predicting.
San Francisco and New York City are among only a handful of cities where the typical rent price is still below pre-pandemic levels, according to Zillow, though there are signs of a rebound there, too. So-called “rent concessions” where landlords offer a month or two of free rent or waive the deposit have dropped sharply in recent weeks. In November, 60 percent of downtown urban listings on Apartments.com offered concessions. In June, just 35 percent did.
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Low entry-level housing supply + 1st-time buyers priced out in bidding wars + eviction moratoriums expiring July 31st (possibly will get extended) = rents getting jacked up (on both apartments and buy-to-rent homes)?
 
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kyphysics said:


Low entry-level housing supply + 1st-time buyers priced out in bidding wars + eviction moratoriums expiring July 31st (possibly will get extended) = rents getting jacked up (on both apartments and buy-to-rent homes)?

That's interesting, but it isn't as clear-cut as they imply, because they are defining a "starter home" to be 1,400 square feet. But what if the size of a "starter home" is rising? Then the decrease in 1,400 square foot homes is not a measure of the change in "starter homes".

Median home size is up from 2,057 to 2,301 sf since 2000:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/456925/median-size-of-single-family-home-usa/

I'm in my first house, and it's 1,500 sf. Several of my friends went for smaller condos in the early 2000s, but I went bigger, later.

Anyway, I'm still concerned about inflation. Or more specifically I'm worried about that other shoe that is going to drop when the COVID stimulus and consumer protections end. Home prices in particular look like they are in a clear bubble right now, that could collapse when the eviction moratorium ends next week.
 
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russ_watters said:
I'm in my first house, and it's 1,500 sf. Several of my friends went for smaller condos in the early 2000s, but I went bigger, later.

Anyway, I'm still concerned about inflation. Or more specifically I'm worried about that other shoe that is going to drop when the COVID stimulus and consumer protections end. Home prices in particular look like they are in a clear bubble right now, that could collapse when the eviction moratorium ends next week.
It's maybe subjective, but I feel 1,400+ sf is pretty big for a "starter" home.

So, what happens to the houses currently occupied by "unevictables" after eviction bans are up? If landlords sell, then those institutional all-cash, above-asking-price bidders might jump in over mom and pop retail buyers (as is often happening now). I don't see any reason why that'd change and first-time retail buyers still getting priced out (whether by wealthier retail/individual buyers or institutional ones). If those landlords rent out their newly freed up homes, I think they'd have pricing power with so many people having nowhere to go. We might see a lot of people co-habitating more than they'd like.

Home construction supply chain bottlenecks + labor shortages (which might alleviate after September's pandemic related UI expires) should keep new housing supply limited at least for a while.

I think rents go up. . .
 
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The cure for high prices is high prices?
 
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kyphysics said:

Oh, good, that may be the start of the correction I've been hoping for/expecting.
The cure for high prices is high prices?
Not sure what you mean by that/how it's connected to the graph. The cure for higher prices is lower demand.
[edit] Oh, you're probably reacting to the article's discussion of average prices rising. The timeframes are different: the new home sales is month-to-month while the price is year-over-year. The trends make total sense in relation to each other.
 
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Not sure what you mean by that/how it's connected to the graph.
Yeah, that's what that common Wall Street quote means. As in, high prices cure themselves, because less people eventually can buy. :smile:

 
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Rents, though, have their own momentum. . .

Randomly, I had a friend go to Panda Express and order their new Steak n Shrimp dish (not bad - I 've gotten it 2x since it came out a few months ago) and said it only came with 3 shrimps. She complained and the manager/employee said that is the limit now (before, you got 5 shrimps). NOTE: You pay $1.25 EXTRA for ALL dishes with shrimp in them.

3 shrimps...pretty pathetic
 
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Rent, rent, rent...Oh, the horror!
 
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While I don't know anything about the inflation of CPI in 2021, according to the World Bank, the year-on-year relative growth of CPI of the following 5 countries but 1 actually declined in 2020.
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However...
Inflation rates for both the US and China have been astonishing since the onset of the pandemic, as they are shown below. It is interesting to note that while the inflation rate of China reached its highest point in 2020, the data for the US topped in 2021. It is possibly because the federal government approved several stimulus package so that American people have more money to spend, whereas in China most people did't get any helpful financial aid and the government tried to stabilize the prices of commodities.
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kyphysics said:
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Nothing to see here.
Why did people buy/swap more houses during the pandemic? Was it because they had spare time to visit the houses for sale in person, as many of them are working from home; or was it because they realized the importance of a sweet and comfy home at which they were trapped?
 
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Leo Liu said:
Why did people buy/swap more houses during the pandemic? Was it because they had spare time to visit the houses for sale in person, as many of them are working from home; or was it because they realized the importance of a sweet and comfy home at which they were trapped?
Lots of reasons, Leo Liu, but a few were:
a.) Urban exodus in fear of COVID + work-from-home arrangements that allowed people to work remotely and away from more expensive urban housing areas into cheaper suburban communities (lower cost-of-living all-around oftentimes - from housing to food and other services). You saw a ton of wealthier urban residents flee NY and CA and buy up houses in Florida, Texas, and Arizona, for example.
b.) Average everyday people taking advantage of low interest rates initially to buy a home (and even if the overall home price was higher, the financing may have still led to a similar monthly payment given lower rates).
c.) The buy-to-rent craze from big U.S. institutional players (Blackstone, Black Rock, Brookfield Asset Management, etc.) to foreign buyers (China's wealthy have been doing this for the past decade), all the way pension fund investors and mom and pop/smaller house flippers and landlords.

The problem is that prices are so high now that "regular" (particularly, first-time) buyers are priced out. Landlords know this (and certainly the big institutional buy-to-rent players know it) and can raise rents as eviction bans expire today in the U.S. People still need a place to live, so I expect rents to rise. :nb)
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/restaurants-may-not-survive-renewed-112839796.html
In Seattle, Steve Hooper of Ethan Stowell Restaurants (How to Cook a Wolf, Anchovies & Olives, Tavolata) said seafood prices are "through the roof," with lobster up 50 percent, and other supply-chain snags are impacting business: He ordered stools for a new restaurant in March; they haven't arrived and the opening is delayed.

Jasmine Donovan, president of Dick's Drive-In Restaurants in Seattle, said she can't buy mustard right now. Or salt. Or berry topping for sundaes: "And everything costs more, if we're lucky enough to be able to buy it." Trey Lamont, the owner Jerk Shack in Seattle, said chicken prices have more than doubled and he can't get Hennessy or other cognacs.

All of these headaches are accentuated by the growing threat of the delta variant and renewed discussions about masking. The Washington Hospitality Association in Washington State calculated that the average restaurant lost $20,000 per month last year. This means the average owner is in debt by more than $100,000, and often that debt is personally guaranteed with their home or car. :nb):nb)
Restaurant owners really feeling it with inflation (on top of so many other issues)!
 
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Leo Liu said:
However...
Inflation rates for both the US and China have been astonishing since the onset of the pandemic, as they are shown below. It is interesting to note that while the inflation rate of China reached its highest point in 2020, the data for the US topped in 2021. It is possibly because the federal government approved several stimulus package so that American people have more money to spend, whereas in China most people did't get any helpful financial aid and the government tried to stabilize the prices of commodities.
That's a reasonable argument.

China definitely didn't blow out their deficits the way the U.S. did and part of that had to do with better containing the virus and people cooperating on things like social distancing, masking wearing, and the like. When we were getting a summer 2020 virus wave (July/August) last year, there were pictures (granted, it's hard to tell how accurate of a reflection they are of reality in China, given possible propagandistic media) of CEOs and business executives in China having meetings without masks, concert-goers partying, and people at water parks - all without masks. China's control of COVID and return to normal/growth has been smoother than the U.S.

But, additionally, China's used this period to deleverage their corporate debt markets (ongoing right now), so there are some deflationary pressures keeping inflation in check, even as growth renormalizes. This is contrasted with the U.S., where the corporate bond market was bailed out by the Federal Reserve. 20% of S&P 500 companies are "zombies" - so overly indebted that they have to issue new debt just to pay the interest on existing debt. When those zombie companies deleverage (be it 2022...2023 or whenever), there could be some deflationary pressures in the U.S. too. Deleveraging usually leads to slowed hiring (or outright layoffs) and cuts in R&D and other investments/capex to repay debt.

For the moment, we're seeing inflationary pressures not seen in the 2008-2009 GFC. That's partially due to the addition of fiscal stimulus we didn't get in 08-09 (where it was mostly monetary - low interest rates + QE). We had $8.8 trillion in stimulus ($5 trillion fiscal and $3.8 monetary) in 2020-2021. a good portion of which got into the hands of every day consumers vs. getting trapped in financial asset markets (like 08-09's recessionary response).

Money velocity (turnover) is higher when it is in Main Street's hands vs. that of the wealthy usually, as everyday people need that money to spend on necessities. Whereas, the wealthy already have money to buy what they like and giving them more money doesn't necessarily produce the same velocity. E.g., If Joe spends $5 tipping a cab driver, then that cab driver might spend that $5 on a hot dog for lunch. The hot dog stand owner may take that $5 and spend it on a pair of socks he needs. In that example, you have a velocity of 3. Each dollar put into the system produced a turnover of 3 transactions. Giving that same $5 to Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jack Ma, Pansy Ho, etc. may have a turnover (velocity) of 0.

Having said that, money velocity is still not that high (and survey data has also shown that people plan to spend only about 25-30% of their stimulus money and use the rest to pay down debt and save/invest), so that, alone, is not all that is causing inflationary pressures. We have various bottlenecks in the economy caused by supply chain issues and labor shortages that are also contributing to rising prices.

It remains to be seen if these get resolved going into next year. For the time being, it's pretty brutal for those who are renters and have lower incomes not well-suited to absorb inflationary pressures.
 
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Those are some drastic increases in rent.
Yesterday, a close friend of mine had shown me her increase letter (attached). Nothing drastic, although nobody wants an increase, I get it. This one 100% real, southern California, one bedroom apartment in Costa Mesa.
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Housing inflation is considered one of the "stickiest." Leases can be 1-2 years on apartments.

This is going to be interesting . . .One thing I'm reminded of is the "domino inflation effect" that can occur. Some of the 1970's inflation is said to have been a result of this. You can have just one area of the economy showing persistent inflation and that leads to higher prices elsewhere and then somewhere else - and so on and so forth.

Sometimes people have to raise prices, because they simply have to be profitable/need to survive. Will we get a vicious cycle?
 
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I think so. Once the injection has been made, the vicious circle has no where else to go but to do what it does.
Inflation is the only way out for us. Debts do not get re-adjusted to inflation, and only some costs get adjusted and even then only to the so-called "official inflation", thus overall, the inflation is hugely beneficial to the borrowers, and the number one of them is the state itself.
I think that following the state in it's footsteps should be an important prerogative to an aspiring survivor.
 
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This can't be good, right?
 
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Twitter blocks the posts from showing up here. But, I went there and read it anyway. Thank you,yes, interesting.

Danielle DiMartino tweets: "There are “800,000 net new single-family homes a year. In that context, 64,000 build-to-rent units is ~8% of annual net new supply & that share could double by 2024.” Living the American Dream (well, at least the haves who don’t get sentenced to serfdom)."
Picture caption: Wall street squeezing out the first time buyers.

No, that is all good, I think. That is all business. Business means "to provide the customers with what they demand at the cost lower than if they did it themselves". By definition. So, I think that tweet is completely wrong.

If we disassemble the situation, we do not see how the first time buyers are "squeezed". If they really have the demand, then more will be built no matter if some of the new construction is purposed for rent.

Moreover, these "build-to-rent" houses increase the overall construction goods and services demand, thus lowering the prices thru the economies of scale. This is exactly why some things that everyone buys cost so much less than the things only a few people like to buy.

But, there must be no restrictions to the growth of the supply. And here we come to the third point:
To squeeze someone out you need to stop the supply from increasing, and only the governments can do that. To the extent that there are any less homes built than absolutely physically possible, it is the government that is squeezing the new home buyers because they:
- always keep the construction costs higher thru their bureaucracy,
- always keep the construction supply lower thru their regulations,
- always support the housing markets as we saw in 2008 wiping out any opportunity for the new buyers, and doing so just to save those existing home owners who miscalculated thru their own fault and should have been bankrupted by the crisis.

But, everyone knows that and I am preaching to the choir here.

Isn't Danielle some sort of self-proclaimed "pro-capitalist" speaker? I thought so. If true, then isn't it funny that she would tweet something so ridiculously incorrect. Ah, just found it. Guess what ? Danielle is a former FED advisor. Ha-ha-ha.

So, the fox is worrying about the chicken coop?
 
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The housing market is so hot, a burnt-out Bay Area home is drawing cash bids above $850,000​


https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/646eccf1-528b-39ea-85ae-d63084fad363/the-housing-market-is-so-hot-.html

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I keep saying this, but I love that Costco has $5 rotisserie chickens still. It's a money loser for them that helps lure in customers (like their famous hotdogs). I buy two chickens every trip (cut the meat up and freeze it).

Costco gas $2.76 (elsewhere about $3.00). Inflation is everywhere, but pockets of savings/deals still exist.
 
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