How many statements are true on a sheet of paper with 100 written down?

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The discussion revolves around a logical puzzle involving 100 self-referential statements on a sheet of paper, each claiming a limit on how many of the statements can be true. Participants explore the implications of these statements and attempt to determine how many of them can be true simultaneously.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that 99 statements are true, questioning the validity of the statements' structure.
  • Another participant proposes that 50 statements are true, but does not provide a clear rationale for this conclusion.
  • A third participant expresses confusion regarding the self-referential nature of the statements, indicating that the first statement must be true under any circumstances.
  • Another participant argues that if n statements are true, the condition "at most k statements are true" would be false for k
  • A further analysis is presented using a simplified case with 4 statements, concluding that exactly two statements are true in that scenario, and suggesting that a similar method would indicate that exactly 50 statements are true in the original problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how many statements can be true, with some suggesting 99, others 50, and a few exploring the implications of the statements without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex logical reasoning and self-referential statements, which may lead to contradictions or ambiguities depending on the interpretation of the statements.

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on a sheet of paper, you have 100 statements written down. the first says, "at most 0 of these 100 statements are true." the second says, "at most 1 of these 100 statements are true." ... the nth says, "at most (n-1) of these 100 statements are true. ... the 100th says, "at most 99 of these statements are true." how many of the statements are true?

is it 99 statements?
 
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I think 50 statements are true...
 
I don't see that
 
bob j said:
on a sheet of paper, you have 100 statements written down. the first says, "at most 0 of these 100 statements are true." the second says, "at most 1 of these 100 statements are true." ... the nth says, "at most (n-1) of these 100 statements are true. ... the 100th says, "at most 99 of these statements are true." how many of the statements are true?

is it 99 statements?

These are self-referencing statements which creates a conceptual problem for me, but the statement "at most 99 of these (preceding ) statements are true", given the "at most" qualifier, makes the 100th statement true, but vacuous. I'm thinking the first statement must be true under any circumstances since it's not preceded by any statements.
 
If n statements are true, then "at most k statements are true" would be false for k<n and true for k between n and 99 inclusive. Thus we must have n=99-(n-1) which yields n=50.
 
It would be instructive to look at the case with 4 statements.

So
A: at most 0 statements are true
B: at most 1 statement is true
C: at most 2 statements are true
D: at most 3 statements are true

There are a few cases to consider:
1) All the statements are false
Then A would be true. So not all statements are false, which is a contradiction

2) Exactly one statement is true
Then A and B would be true. This is a contradiction

3) Exactly two statements are true
A and B would be false. C and D would be true. So no contradiction here.

4) Exactly three statements are true
Then only D would be true. So there are no three statements true. Contradiction!

5) Exactly four statements are true
Then all statements would be false. This is a contradiction.



So the correct answer here is that exactly two statements are true: C and D.
An analogous method would show you that, in your problem, exactly 50 statements are true (namely the last 50).
 

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