How much mass energy exists in the universe?

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The discussion revolves around the estimation of mass-energy present in the universe, including considerations of different cosmological models and the contributions of various forms of matter such as baryonic matter and dark matter. Participants explore calculations related to the observable universe and its energy density.

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  • One participant inquires about the total mass-energy known to exist in the universe.
  • Another participant provides a calculation based on the observable universe, estimating the mass-energy to be around 10^70 J, considering the number of galaxies and stars.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the magnitude of the figures being discussed.
  • There is a suggestion that only 5% of the universe is filled with known matter, prompting further inquiry.
  • Another approach is presented, distinguishing between baryonic matter (4% of total energy density) and dark matter (26%), with a total energy density estimate of around 0.85 nanojoules per cubic meter.
  • Calculations are provided for the mass-energy due to all forms of matter, leading to a comparable estimate of approximately 7.6 x 10^70 joules, while noting the need to adjust for comparisons with previous estimates.

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Participants present multiple competing views regarding the contributions of baryonic matter and dark matter to the total mass-energy, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on a single estimate.

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Participants rely on different assumptions regarding the inclusion of dark energy and the definitions of mass-energy, which may affect their calculations and interpretations.

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Do you guys how much mass energy is known to be in the Universe?
 
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The size of the universe depends on your cosmology model.

The simplest and most accurate figure is for the 'observable universe'.
There are around 10^11 galaxies with 10^11 stars in each, a star has a mass of around 10^30kg. Stars make up about 5% of the mass of the universe according to galaxy dynamics measurements.

so 10^11 * 10^11 * 10^30kg * c^2 * 20 = 10^70 J
 
Wey hey how many zeros is that... no in fact what is that! Yes I know nowt, thanks for your patience.
 
Jeeze you guy are on it. So the universe has only filled up 5% with known matter?
 
there is another way to approach this

mass-energy could be either baryonic matter, which is estimated to be 4% of total energy density

or you could be asking about all matter including dark matter, that comes to 26% of total.

(Maybe you don't want to include dark energy, which makes up the remaining 74%.)

The total energy density is known rather precisely to be around 0.85 nanojoules per cubic meter.

So if you want the mass-energy due to all forms of matter, you take 26% of that
which comes to about 0.22 nJ per cubic meter. (If you only want ordinary baryonic, make that 4%.)

Now you just need to know the radius of the observable universe---the most recent estimate of that, of which I'm aware, is 46 billion LY. And you need the volume of a sphere with that radius, but in cubic meters. So you can multiply by the 0.22 nanojoule figure.

Google calculator did the whole thing in one step. I put in
(4 pi/3)(46*10^9 lightyears)^3 *0.22 nJ/m^3
and it gave me back something like 8 x 10^70 joules. this is comparable to what MGB said!

Actually when I put that in the window and pressed return it came back with
((4 * pi) / 3) * ((46 * ((10^9) lightyears))^3) * (0.22 (nJ / (m^3))) = 7.59505577 × 10^70 joules

Nice thing is it takes care of converting units by itself so you don't have to worry about mixing lightyears and cubic meters.

Since that 7.6 jillion includes dark matter (but not dark energy) if you want to compare with MGB's estimate, which I think was for ordinary baryonic matter, you need to scale down by a factor of 7 or so. It comes to around 10^70 joules.
 
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