How to find subgroup of index n in a given group

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This discussion addresses the methods for finding subgroups of a given abstract group, specifically focusing on the challenge of identifying subgroups of index 2 in the free product of groups Z and Z/2Z. It is established that while subgroups of index 2 can be found using homology methods, the general case lacks a definitive solution. The conversation references the work of M. Conder and P. Dobcsányi on low index subgroups, highlighting that finite abelian groups always contain subgroups of order corresponding to any divisor of the group's order.

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Dear Folks:
Is there a general method to find all subgroups in a given abstract group?? Many Thanks!

This question came into my classmates' mind when he wants to find a 2 sheet covering of the Klein Bottle. This question is equivalent to find a subgroup of index 2 in Z free product Z/2Z. When n = 2, this question is sovalble using homology method according to my tutor, since the subgroup of index 2 is always regular, but when it comes to the general case, he says he suspected it has been solved.


PS: I'm sorry for my poor English. (I'm not a native speaker.) Hope I've expained it clearly.
 
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Fangyang Tian said:
Dear Folks:
Is there a general method to find all subgroups in a given abstract group?? Many Thanks!

This question came into my classmates' mind when he wants to find a 2 sheet covering of the Klein Bottle. This question is equivalent to find a subgroup of index 2 in Z free product Z/2Z. When n = 2, this question is sovalble using homology method according to my tutor, since the subgroup of index 2 is always regular, but when it comes to the general case, he says he suspected it has been solved.


PS: I'm sorry for my poor English. (I'm not a native speaker.) Hope I've expained it clearly.



I think your instructor is right: in general is, as far as I know, impossible to decide what orders and indexes subgroups of a group can have.

Of course, in particular cases we can: a finite abelian group ALWAYS has a subgroup of order (index) d, for any divisor d of the group's order. But there is hardly something more general than this, I'm afraid.

DonAntonio
 
I'm not an expert on these sorts of things, but I just did a literature search and managed to find the following relevant article:

M. Conder and P. Dobcsányi, Applications and adaptations of the low index subgroups procedure, Math. Comp. 74 (2005), 485-497.

The first couple of paragraphs read:
Given a finitely presented group ##G = \langle X \mid R \rangle##, where X is a finite set of generators and R is a finite set of relators (each expressed as a word on ##X\cup X^{-1}##), it is frequently desirable to find all subgroups of G of index up to some specified integer N, or at least a representative of each conjugacy class of subgroups of index up to N.

A complete enumeration of such subgroups is algorithmically feasible for two reasons. First, there are finitely many subgroups of up to a given index in any finitely generated group G, since every subgroup H of index n corresponds to a homomorphism ##G \to S_n## (equivalent to the representation of G on right cosets of H), and there are only finitely many such homomorphisms (since there are only finitely many possibilities for the image of each of the elements from a finitely generating set). Second, by Schreier's theorem, every subgroup of nite index in a finitely generated group is itself finitely generated.
 

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