How to obtain the force acting on a gear teeth

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on gear teeth in different gear pair configurations, specifically comparing a 20T gear connected to a 40T gear with a 40T gear connected to a 60T gear. Participants explore the implications of gear tooth count on force distribution and stress analysis, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of gear design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the force on the teeth differs between the two gear configurations, suggesting that more teeth may lead to lower force per tooth due to sharing the load.
  • Another participant notes that quantifying the forces is challenging without specific numbers and mentions that increasing the number of teeth typically results in lower pitch line velocity and lower forces under the same conditions.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of analyzing stress rather than just force, referencing the Lewis theory for calculating maximum stress induced in gear teeth based on torque, number of teeth, and module.
  • One participant agrees that the force can be calculated from applied torque and distance, but stresses that calculating stress is more complex, particularly at the highest point of single tooth contact.
  • Another participant suggests a book for further reading on gear design, which includes examples of stress calculations and other related topics.
  • There is a discussion about determining shear stress from the maximum moment of the tooth, with some disagreement on the factors that influence this calculation, such as the radius at the root of the teeth.
  • One participant highlights that bending stress is a critical failure driver in gear fillets and notes the complexity of gear stress calculations, emphasizing that standards like AGMA provide semi-arbitrary stress numbers rather than direct stress calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between gear tooth count and force distribution, as well as the methods for calculating stress. There is no consensus on the best approach to analyze the forces and stresses acting on gear teeth.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors that influence stress calculations, including the pressure angle, fillet radius, and the method of tooth formation. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations in comparing stress numbers to material strengths.

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Hi everyone.
I wonder how to obtain ,
let say a 20T gear connect to a 40T gear compare to a 40T connect to 60T gear. (teeth size is the same)

Suppose the transmitted force (at the outer of the gear) is the same, is there any different froce on the teethes in each pair (larger no. of gear teeth will suffer lower value due to sharing with neibour teethes)?

Thanks for your kind help.
 
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This is a hard question to quantify without real numbers. If the gear teeth are the same size, and you increase the number of them, then this will increase the size of the gear. For the same operating conditions, this will typically result in lower pitch line velocity and lower forces.

The contact ratio (the average number of teeth in contact) is a function of more than what you provided.

Aside from the standard bending stresses, there are also frictional stresses which are very dependednt on the pressure angle among other things.
 
Sorry but ur question seems vague...bcoz
For gear teeth we look at the stress induced and not the force acting on the teeth[I mean finally to conclude sumthing]

Analysis of gear stresses can b done using diff theories...lets take the oldest 1:-
Lewis theory...

the main (i/p)s' to Lewis eqn r torque,No of teeth,module..then u get the Max stress induced ... from which u can conclude...

Offcourse u need to get the forces acting on gear teeth[by P-torque*(Angular velocity) ;and F=M/d]
But only forces just can help us to conclude anything related specifically to gear[u need them for bearings,shaft design]

I hope this helped u...

really soory if ur askin sumthing like stress distribution within a single teeth and then compare 2 diff teeth...
I've approached ur question the Theoretical way...
Practically there r mny softwares specially designed to analyse the same[Which I don't know!]
 
Right, fighting my way though lividv's post, I'd have to agree. To find the "force" you simply take your applied torque and multiply it by a distance. For maximum stress, that force is typically applied at what is called the highest point of single tooth contact (HPSTC). That generates the highest bending moment on that tooth.

The force applied is easy, the stress calculation on the other hand...
 
If you are very serious about machine design, or determining analytical data on gears, I'd suggest this book:

http://finderscheapers.com/books-prices/1/2148785/978-0-07-331260-6

It has a great example in the back on how to design a gear box as well. It addresses bending and contact stresses, shaft stresses, bearing selection, stress concentrations, keys, and almost anything imaginable. ( also has numerous tables for materials )

Enjoy.
 
Minger,
"The force applied is easy, the stress calculation on the other hand... "

Shorely once the max moment of the tooth has been determined, you simply divide by the section modulus (Z) of the gear tooth at the point of application of the load to determine the shear stress?
 
Mech King said:
Minger,

Shorely once the max moment of the tooth has been determined, you simply divide by the section modulus (Z) of the gear tooth at the point of application of the load to determine the shear stress?
Not so. It will greatly depend on the radius at the root of the teeth.
 
Its actually bending stress that is the failure driver in gear fillets. As Fred said, MUCH of the stresses depend not only on the fillet radius, but even how the fillet was formed (hobbed, ground, etc).

Gears are quite a complex little part, both geometrically and the dynamic loading that they see. You'll notice when you go through the standards that you are in fact NOT calculating stresses; you are calculating stress numbers. AGMA specifically does this to ensure that you do not compare these to material strengths. They are purely semi-arbitrary numbers that should only be compared to equivalent strength-numbers.
 

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