How to quantize a particle confined to the surface of a sphere?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on the quantization of a particle confined to the surface of a sphere, emphasizing the transition from classical Lagrangian mechanics to the Schrödinger equation. Participants highlight the importance of promoting angular momentum to an operator and using spherical harmonics as eigenstates of angular momentum. The conversation also touches on the justification of a quantum Hamiltonian, noting that experimental validation is crucial. The Podolsky trick is mentioned as a relevant concept in this context.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Lagrangian mechanics and Hamiltonian mechanics
  • Familiarity with quantum mechanics concepts, particularly the Schrödinger equation
  • Knowledge of angular momentum and its role in quantum systems
  • Basic grasp of spherical harmonics and their applications in quantum mechanics
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of the Schrödinger equation from classical mechanics
  • Research the Podolsky trick and its implications in quantum mechanics
  • Explore the role of spherical harmonics in quantum systems and their eigenstates
  • Investigate the criteria for justifying a quantum Hamiltonian beyond experimental validation
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, quantum mechanics students, and researchers interested in the quantization of systems and the transition from classical to quantum frameworks.

wdlang
Messages
306
Reaction score
0
how to go step by step from the classical lagrangian to the Schrödinger equation?

i would like to work with the two angles.

whether the quantization is right or not is a matter of experiment, is not it? I mean, you might have many schemes of quantization, but which one is the right one is up to experiment.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Do you know the Podolsky trick?

B. Podolsky, Phys. Rev., 32, 812 (1928).
 
DrDu said:
Do you know the Podolsky trick?

B. Podolsky, Phys. Rev., 32, 812 (1928).

Thanks a lot. It looks interesting.
 
Is there a specific reason you want to start from the Lagrangian (there is no need for the qualifier "classical" by the way)? The quantization for the system in the OP is much easier than that. All you have to do is take the total energy of a free particle confined to a sphere, which will involve the total angular momentum and the moment of inertia, and then promote the angular momentum to an operator. From there you can easily write down the Schrödinger equation and immediately get the general solution (which will be in terms of the spherical harmonics-the eigenstates of the angular momentum).
 
WannabeNewton said:
Is there a specific reason you want to start from the Lagrangian (there is no need for the qualifier "classical" by the way)? The quantization for the system in the OP is much easier than that. All you have to do is take the total energy of a free particle confined to a sphere, which will involve the total angular momentum and the moment of inertia, and then promote the angular momentum to an operator. From there you can easily write down the Schrödinger equation and immediately get the general solution (which will be in terms of the spherical harmonics-the eigenstates of the angular momentum).

I would feel safe if i start from the classical lagrangian or the classical hamiltonian.

It is at first a psychological issue.

I do not understand why you just mention energy, not the hamiltonian. Of course, the hamiltonian is time independent and energy is conserved.

Another fundamental issue is, what justifies a quantum hamiltonian? Only experiment can do it or we have some theoretical criterion?
 
wdlang said:
I do not understand why you just mention energy, not the hamiltonian. Of course, the hamiltonian is time independent and energy is conserved.

There are no external influences so the total energy is the Hamiltonian.

wdlang said:
Another fundamental issue is, what justifies a quantum hamiltonian? Only experiment can do it or we have some theoretical criterion?

We promote the classical Hamiltonian to an operator because state vectors are mapped into other state vectors by operators acting on state space and the Hamiltonian generates time-translations which is what we need in order to propagate the state vector in state space.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 45 ·
2
Replies
45
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
780
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K