How to Solve These Vector Field Equations?

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of vector field equations represented by second-order differential equations. Participants explore methods to approach the problem, including initial conditions and potential transformations to different forms of the equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equations x'' = y and y'' = -x, along with initial conditions, seeking guidance on how to solve them.
  • Another participant clarifies the equations and derives a fourth-order differential equation, x''''(t) - x(t) = 0, suggesting a characteristic equation approach.
  • A later reply corrects the interpretation to x''''(t) + x(t) = 0, indicating a change in the characteristic equation to r4 + 1 = 0.
  • One participant expresses confusion about needing to use polar coordinates and recognizes the relationship to sine/cosine functions.
  • Another participant proposes converting the problem into an initial value problem (IVP) format involving a matrix representation, suggesting a different method of solving the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the form of the equations but express differing approaches to solving them, indicating that multiple methods are being considered without a consensus on the best path forward.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the methods of solution and the implications of the characteristic equations. The discussion includes various interpretations of the original equations and their transformations.

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x'' = y; y'' = -x?

I'm working on vector fields and I've got these two equations; no teacher in my high school knows what to do from here.

initial conditions:
t = 0
x, y = 0, 1 (the initial position)
dx/dt = 0
dy/dt = 0

[itex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = y[/itex]
[itex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} = -x[/itex]

How do I solve this?

Thanks a bundle :)
-Unit
 
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Your title gives one system and your post gives a different one. I assume your system is

x'' = y
y'' = x
plus your initial conditions. Differentiate the first equation twice:

x'''' = y'' = x, so you have:

x''''(t) - x(t) = 0.
This is a constant coefficient equation with characteristic equation:
r4 - 1 = 0.

Do you know how to write the solution for x(t) from that? If so, then you can use

y = x''

to get y. Plug in your initial conditions along the way to keep it simple.
 
Yes, sorry for the discrepancy. Your assumption was right, I was indeed talking about x'' = y and y'' = -x. I fixed the thread title!

And omgsh that makes perfect sense! I was thinking I had to make a substitution of sorts, something crazy with polar coordinates or something. The fact that it's a fourth derivative equaling the first derivative makes it look like a sine/cosine function!

I'll work on the answer now, using r^4 - 1 = 0, thank you :)
 
Waiiiiiit. x''''(t) = -x(t)
x''''(t) + x(t) = 0

That is what I'm solving. Does this make any difference?
 
Yes, a little. Characteristic equation now r4 + 1 = 0.

If you don't know how to proceed search constant coefficient differential equations on Google. Good luck.
 


Unit said:
I'm working on vector fields and I've got these two equations; no teacher in my high school knows what to do from here.

initial conditions:
t = 0
x, y = 0, 1 (the initial position)
dx/dt = 0
dy/dt = 0

[itex]\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = y[/itex]
[itex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} = -x[/itex]

How do I solve this?

Thanks a bundle :)
-Unit


I would rather convert the problem to the following IVP and solve

[tex]\frac{dZ}{dt} = AZ[/tex]

subject to Z(0)=(0 0 1 0)t

where
[tex]A = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}0&1&0&0\\<br /> 0&0&1&0\\<br /> 0&0&0&1\\<br /> -1&0&0&0\end{array}\right) [/tex] [tex]Z = \left(\begin{array}{c}x\\ \dot{x}\\ y \\ \dot{y} \end{array}\right) [/tex]
 

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