How to treat spin orbit operator directly

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of the spin-orbit operator, specifically the product of the angular momentum operator \(L_z\) and the spin operator \(S_z\) in matrix form. Participants explore theoretical aspects of angular momentum in quantum mechanics, including the direct multiplication of matrices and the implications of total angular momentum.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the representation of the spin operator \(S_z\) as a 2×2 matrix and the angular momentum operator \(L_z\) as a 3×3 matrix, questioning how to treat the product \(L_z S_z\) directly in matrix form.
  • Another participant suggests that if \(L_z S_z\) refers to the total angular momentum \(J_z\), then \(J = L + S\) leads to eigenvalues for \(J_z\) based on the total angular momentum quantum number \(j\), providing a specific matrix representation for \(J_z\).
  • A different participant discusses the commutation of spin and orbital angular momentum in non-relativistic physics, noting the dimensionality of the total angular momentum space and suggesting the use of Clebsch-Gordan coefficients for eigenvalues of \(j_z\).
  • One participant expresses a desire for a direct method to multiply the two matrices without delving into theoretical solutions.
  • Another participant advises the use of the Kronecker product for the matrix multiplication.
  • A later reply mentions identities related to total angular momentum, indicating that the result depends on \(L^2\) and \(J^2\) with fixed \(l=1\), and suggests writing out basis states in terms of \(s\) states.

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Participants present various approaches and methods for handling the spin-orbit operator, with no consensus reached on a singular method for direct matrix multiplication. Multiple competing views and techniques remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Some participants reference theoretical frameworks and identities that may depend on specific assumptions or definitions, such as the treatment of angular momentum in quantum mechanics and the dimensionality of the state space.

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For an electron the spin operator S_zis represented by a 2×2 matrix, with spin up and down as its bases. Consider the angular momentum operator L_z with l=1 which is a 3×3 matrix. How can we treat the L_z S_z operator directly in matrix form?
 
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If with ##L_z S_z## you mean the total angular momentum ##J_z## than you have that ##J=L+S##, so ##j=l+s=\frac{3}{2}##. The eigenvalues of ##J_z## are ##m_j=-\frac{3}{2},-\frac{1}{2},\frac{1}{2},\frac{3}{2}## (##-j \le m_j \le j##). By choosing a basis where ##J^2## and ##J_z## are diagonal, your matrix operator of ##J_z## is:

##J_z = \hbar
\begin{pmatrix}
\frac{3}{2} & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \frac{1}{2} & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & -\frac{1}{2} & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & -\frac{3}{2}
\end{pmatrix}
##

P.S.: I'm studying this right now, so maybe i could probably make some mistakes
 
In non-relativistic physics (I guess that's all about non-relativistic quantum theory) spin and orbital angular momentum commute, and total angular momentum is given by
$$\vec{J}=\vec{L}+\vec{S}.$$
Then according to representation theory of the rotation group, if the orbital angular angular momentum has definite ##l## and spin ##s##, then the total angular momentum has ##j \in \{|l-s|,|l-s|+1,\ldots,l+s \}##, i.e., in your case you have ##j \in \{1/2,3/2 \}##.

Indeed the total-angular momentum space is ##(2l+1)(2s+1)##, i.e., in your case ##3 \cdot 2=6## dimensional. The possible values for ##j## imply the same dimension, i.e., ##2+4=6##.

For the eigenvalues of ##j_z=l_z+s_z##. You should look this up in a good textbook. Look for Clebsch-Gordan coefficients.
 
Thanks, but my question is how to multiply the two matrixes directly without solving the problem this way.
 
The usual way to get ##L S## is to use the identities
##J^2 = (L + S)^2 = L^2 + S^2 + 2LS##
##S## is a constant, so the result depends on ##L^2## and ##J^2##. With ##l=1## fixed, you can write out the basis states of ##j## in terms of the basis states of ##s##.
 

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