I am writing a SciFi story but I don't like Rayguns

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and conceptualization of projectile weapons for a science fiction story involving an advanced alien race. Participants explore various types of projectile weapons, their mechanics, and implications within the narrative context, addressing both technical feasibility and storytelling elements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that using plasma explosions in projectile weapons may lead to excessive barrel wear and damage to the projectile itself.
  • There is a proposal for a "gamma gun" that utilizes the conversion of matter into energy to propel small, fast bullets, though concerns about the bullet's potential vaporization are noted.
  • Others propose alternatives like rail guns, highlighting their existing technology and potential for high-speed projectiles.
  • Some participants argue that the choice of weaponry should reflect the culture and circumstances of the alien race, emphasizing the importance of world-building.
  • A few participants mention that suspension of disbelief is crucial in science fiction, suggesting that the details of weapon mechanics need not conform strictly to reality.
  • There are discussions about smart ammunition and its potential to enhance projectile weaponry by allowing for guided targeting.
  • One participant raises the issue of how the choice of weaponry can reveal deeper aspects of the characters and their society.
  • Concerns are expressed about the limitations of projectile weapons in space, including maximal velocity and accuracy challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and implications of different projectile weapon designs. There is no consensus on the best approach, and multiple competing ideas remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the physics of proposed weapon designs, the impact of environmental factors in space, and the balance between narrative needs and technical accuracy.

Who May Find This Useful

Writers interested in science fiction, particularly those exploring advanced technology and weaponry in their narratives, may find this discussion beneficial.

  • #31
SleipnirTheHorse said:
Well, the reason is because of the opposite, the aliens don't want to kill unless they absolutely have to. They take prisoners according to Galactic Convention.
By the way the aliens are kinda in an accidental war with humanity. Basically we blewup a spaceship out of a misunderstanding and a Galactic WWI situation broke out with most of the Galaxy going to war.
 
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  • #32
1.) Any laser gun powerful enough to shoot a hole in somebody can probably instantly blind you if it hits your eyes. Even if it just reflected off something shiny. It is a danger to anybody nearby, with "nearby" defined as "closer than the horizon."
2.) It takes lots of tricky engineering to make a laser bolt do more damage than your average bullet. And to be more efficient than your average bullet
3.) Shooting a continual laser beam at somebody is like spitting into the wind. Vaporizing metal or flesh from the target will mess up the beam. Instead the beam should be a series of short pulses.
4.) Lasers need large batteries because they are power hogs
5.) A "heat-ray" is a continuous beam laser. It is like a flame-thrower. Made of energy beams
6.) A "blaser" is a pulsed beam laser. It is like a bullet. Made of energy beams
7.) A laser aimsight can be the actual weapon optics, much like an SLR reflex camera eyepiece. This makes the aimsight vastly more accurate than iron sights
8.) If you are having a raygun fight in an atmosphere, you want the laser gun to use some color of visible light or near-infrared frequencies
9.) Particle-beam weapons are far more efficient at doing damage to the target compared to lasers
10.) Particle-beam weapons can give serious doses of deadly radiation to the gunslinger, due to radiation backscatter
11.) Plasma weapons do not work
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EDIT: This is meant "tongue-in-cheek".
 
  • #33
SleipnirTheHorse said:
By the way the aliens are kinda in an accidental war with humanity. Basically we blewup a spaceship out of a misunderstanding and a Galactic WWI situation broke out with most of the Galaxy going to war.
SleipnirTheHorse said:
Well, the reason is because of the opposite, the aliens don't want to kill unless they absolutely have to. They take prisoners according to Galactic Convention.
I assume then you have an in-story reason why these (apparently) non-violent aliens didn't, or couldn't, try diplomacy and negotiation to try to de-escalate an impending war. Presumably, they are smart enough to know that (non-blaster weapons or no) galactic war is a very good way of getting of a lot of entities on both sides dead.
 
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  • #34
BWV said:
Why not a rail gun?

I was about to post that too. :smile:

By the way, here are two of the most hilarious weapons in fiction (computer games):

1. BFG9000 (plasma gun in Doom):

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The initials composing the weapon's name stand for "Big F***ing Gun."

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/BFG9000

2. Shrinker (Duke Nukem)

https://dukenukem.fandom.com/wiki/Shrinker_(DN3D)

I remember laughing so much using that weapon against fellow players at work (and having it used against me). It shrinks the opponent to a tiny version and then you stomp on them with your foot to squash them. 😄

Edit: here's a video showing it:

 
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  • #35
DennisN said:
I was about to post that too. :smile:

By the way, here are two of the most hilarious weapons in fiction (computer games):

1. BFG9000 (plasma gun in Doom):
the BFG 9000 was great but there were never enough plasma cells to use it much. I do remember hacking the double barrel shotgun to
give it the same rate of fire as the chain gun, which would shred anything
 
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  • #36
If you have a sufficiently advanced civilization, then a projectile with an antimatter and matter compartment that combines upon impact.
 
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  • #37
Mayhem said:
If you have a sufficiently advanced civilization, then a projectile with an antimatter and matter compartment that combines upon impact.
Utter and unilateral annilhilation of everything in a radius of the projectile's impact seems counterintuitive for a society who "don't want to kill unless they absolutely have to". :wink:

Not to mention the burst of high-energy gamma radiation ...
 
  • #38
SleipnirTheHorse said:
I have an advanced race of aliens, but I want them to use a Projectile Weapon.

I've written that they have high-density propelled by a plasma explosion, inside a chamber of a powerful and strong gun.
I highly recommend reading Larry Niven's 'Known Space' stories with particular attention to Ringworld. I think he does a great job of creating plausible alien cultures with different perspectives on what weapon to use when and why. Also does a great job of world building.
 
  • #39
SleipnirTheHorse said:
I want them to use a Projectile Weapon.
What sort of velocity would these weapons give the projectile? 'Realistically', they would not be near c and the transit time would make guidance difficult with a moving (dodging) target. You'd have a choice of projectile mass; heavy and you'd have recoil problems, light and atmospheric drag would slow them down over distances.

I have been 'put off' personal rayguns as an idea ever since a went to a lecture about practical laser weapons. Whilst they are probably useful as heavy weapons, the energy requirements for a hand weapon make them pretty impractical. So I can see how hand projectile weapons could be attractive.

However, in fantasy fiction, anything goes - so don't come to PF for serious advice; just write convincingly and get your readers to suspend disbelief (as do all good authors). That's the beauty of the Azimov generation; we accept cigarettes and impossibly high transport speeds and the books entertain us. Very little SciFi can survive detailed examination but why should it?.
 
  • #40
BWV said:
Why not a rail gun?

Rail is spelt much too closely to Ray, which is what OP is trying to avoid. So instead you can use a psychology rifle that projects delta waves and makes the subjects fall asleep. Other settings can make the enemy too depressed to fight, or have overwhelming sexual desire. I've heard of a brown note generator, but I don't remember what it does. Tasers could be improved with carbon nanotubes to have much higher range. Or people could throw flying robot snakes around. They would pursue the enemy and try to entangle them, or inject them with things.
A more lethal weapon might fire wrinkles in space-time, causing parts of the enemy to face the other direction or go somewhere else. A gun that shoots black holes has been done.
 
  • #41
Algr said:
I've heard of a brown note generator, but I don't remember what it does.
It loosens the bowels of the hapless targets.
 
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  • #42
DaveC426913 said:
It lossens the bowels of the hapless targets.
"Well, we know what his red laser does. I wonder what other lasers he has."
"I just don't want to know what a brown laser does."
 
  • #43
I confess. I just didn't _want_ to remember what the brown note did.
 
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  • #44
I've been reading this thread and I think OP's alien culture would want to use something along one of two lines; a) a sonic gun that renders the non-autonomous nervous system either useless or at a lower level of function (pacification) or, 2) a gun that fires tranquilizer-crystal flechettes, perhaps metal tipped to penetrate armor.
 

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