If Ouamuamua were a propelled lightsail, wouldn't we have detected it?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothesis that Oumuamua could be a propelled lightsail, specifically examining whether we would have detected the light used for propulsion, whether from the Sun or potentially from a laser source. The scope includes speculative reasoning and challenges to the assumptions surrounding the nature of Oumuamua.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Avi Loeb's argument that Oumuamua could be a lightsail, suggesting it might be propelled by sunlight or starlight.
  • One participant asserts that we can detect sunlight, which is the light propelling Oumuamua, even with the naked eye.
  • Another participant questions the detection of light from a potential laser source, specifically mentioning Vega, and argues that the speed of Oumuamua does not imply artificial acceleration.
  • There is a challenge to the idea of laser propulsion, with a participant noting that it is not mentioned in the referenced article and emphasizing that Oumuamua receives its boost from sunlight or starlight.
  • A participant expresses concern about the speculative nature of the hypothesis and suggests that it may not be appropriate to comment on it definitively.
  • Another participant clarifies that no one explicitly stated that pop science articles should not be read, but rather that expectations should be managed regarding their content.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the nature of Oumuamua's propulsion, with some supporting the lightsail hypothesis while others question the assumptions behind it. There is no consensus on whether the light used for propulsion could be detected or the implications of its speed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the speculative nature of the lightsail hypothesis and the lack of definitive evidence regarding the propulsion mechanism of Oumuamua. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the information presented in the referenced article.

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(Yes, I know how folks here like to say that I shouldn't read pop science articles because it's not correct.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/books/review/extraterrestrial-avi-loeb.html
... Loeb argues that it is no more preposterous to suppose that Oumuamua was a lightsail, a thin material that gets its propulsive boost from sunlight or starlight, either launched in our direction or anchored like a buoy in space, where we ran into it on our planet’s travel around the galaxy.

So if this were a lightsail, wouldn't we be able to detect the light propelling it?
 
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swampwiz said:
So if this were a lightsail, wouldn't we be able to detect the light propelling it?

Yes, we are - even with the naked eye. It's the light of the Sun.
 
swampwiz said:
(Yes, I know how folks here like to say that I shouldn't read pop science articles because it's not correct.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/books/review/extraterrestrial-avi-loeb.htmlSo if this were a lightsail, wouldn't we be able to detect the light propelling it?

This hypothesis is just a speculation, so we probably cannot comment it here. But to your question, we do detect the sunlight, of course.
 
No, I meant the laser coming from Vega, or wherever it came from.
 
swampwiz said:
No, I meant the laser coming from Vega, or wherever it came from.

Considering the speed of Oumuamua there is no reason to assume artificial acceleration. Even if it would have been accelerated with a laser, that would be a very long time ago. In any case there is nothing to see.
 
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Oumuamua propelled by laser is mentioned nowhere in the article.
gets its propulsive boost from sunlight or starlight,
 
swampwiz said:
Yes, I know how folks here like to say that I shouldn't read pop science articles because it's not correct.

I don't think anyone said that. What they did say is that you need to manage your expectations on what these articles are.
 
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