Increase torque and speed simultaneously.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around an invention aimed at simultaneously increasing torque and speed in a gear train, challenging the conventional understanding that these two parameters are inversely proportional. Participants explore the feasibility, implications, and potential applications of this invention, while also addressing concerns about energy conservation and the nature of the proposed mechanism.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims to have invented a method to increase both torque and speed simultaneously, suggesting applications in vehicle transmissions.
  • Several participants express skepticism, questioning whether such an invention could violate conservation of energy principles.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of increasing output power beyond input power without an additional power source.
  • There is confusion regarding the definition of "speed," with participants seeking clarification on whether it refers to linear speed or angular velocity.
  • Some participants assert that conventional gear trains cannot achieve simultaneous increases in torque and speed, emphasizing the role of shifters in traditional systems.
  • The inventor mentions plans to share blueprints and experimental data in the future, pending validation from testing groups.
  • A participant references a publication of the invention by WIPO, inviting further comments and feedback.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of the invention, with multiple competing views regarding the principles of torque and speed in gear systems. The discussion remains unresolved, with skepticism about the claims made by the inventor.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed experimental data and blueprints, as well as unresolved questions about the energy dynamics involved in the proposed mechanism.

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Hi everyone!

I have an invention that I filed for a patent through PCT (WIPO) and about to enter national phase. The main idea of the invention is to "Simultaneously increase torque and speed in a gear train.

As far as I know, torque and speed are inversely proportional to one another (in a gear train). However, my invention bypasses the conventional way of acceleration or decsalaration, let's say, in auto transmission, and increases torque and speed simultaneously.

Since slow speed is neseccary for smooth start of a vehicle, what do you think my invention can be applied for? I mean gaining both speed and torque in a transmission.

Would appreciate your comments and ideas.
 
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Have you built a functional prototype of this device? It sound like it should violate conservation of energy. And fyi, we don't discuss perpetual motion machines here, just real science, so if we determine that that's what this is about, we'll lock/delete the thread.
 
If you increase both torque and speed, it means that your output power is greater than your input power. So you need a power source within your transmission to accomplish that.
 
What exactly do you mean with speed? Some linear speed, or angular velocity?
 
Shukhrat said:
I mean gaining both speed and torque in a transmission.
That's exactly the point of a transmission in the first place, but they absolutely cannot be done at the same time. That's why shifters were invented.
 
mfb said:
What exactly do you mean with speed? Some linear speed, or angular velocity?

Gaining linear speed and angular velocity at the same time.
 
Danger said:
That's exactly the point of a transmission in the first place, but they absolutely cannot be done at the same time. That's why shifters were invented.

I agree, it can NOT be donen in a conventional gear train using different gear ratios. Mine is different, not using conventional method.
 
Shukhrat said:
Mine is different, not using conventional method.
Unless you're going to share your blueprints and experimental data, I can't believe that you've done it.
 
russ_watters said:
Have you built a functional prototype of this device? It sound like it should violate conservation of energy. And fyi, we don't discuss perpetual motion machines here, just real science, so if we determine that that's what this is about, we'll lock/delete the thread.

I did, by the end of this week I'm expecting International search report and experts opinion from searching agency. Of course I admit there is loss of energy through friction and bearings, I don't want to discuss PM either. But I curious as to what purposes it can be abblied for.
 
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Danger said:
Unless you're going to share your blueprints and experimental data, I can't believe that you've done it.

I do want to share blueprints to validate it in the scientific community, but where to apply?! Maybe some research institutes. What would you advise?
 
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I meant to share them here, so we have some idea of what the hell you're talking about. As it is, you make no sense.
 
  • #12
Maybe I will, but not now, since I want have it tested by an official testing group wherever it is from and then post in it here. As for now, I can post here experts opinion from European patent office.
 
  • #13
Then please do so.
 
  • #15
If you design the wheel diameters to increase the speed, you reduce the torque. The device does not work as claimed, and we do not discuss perpetual motion here because it does not exist.
 

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