Increasing the mass of the moon (via pancake theory)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario where the mass of the moon is increased to alter the Earth's rotation period, potentially leading to a day length of 30 days of sunlight followed by 30 days of darkness. The context includes architectural implications of living in such a scenario and the feasibility of this idea over a 250 million year timeline, coinciding with geological changes like the formation of Pangaea Ultima.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that an asteroid could collide with the moon in a "pancake fashion" to increase its mass, thereby affecting the Earth's spin.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial impact of an asteroid might be sufficient to slow the Earth's rotation without needing to increase the moon's mass.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the increase in the moon's mass required to achieve the desired tidal locking would be several times its current mass, estimated at 5 to 6 times.
  • Participants express interest in exploring alternative scenarios that could lead to the Earth spinning as slowly as required for the proposed day length.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the plausibility of the proposed scenario. There are competing views on whether the moon's mass needs to increase and whether other mechanisms could achieve the desired effect on Earth's rotation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the significant increase in mass required for the moon to achieve the desired tidal locking within the specified timeframe, highlighting the complexity and uncertainty of the scenario.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in speculative astrophysics, architectural implications of extreme environmental changes, and the long-term dynamics of celestial mechanics may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello, I am an architect at UCL london and am currently looking at a hypothetical scene whereby the length of a day could be increased to something at least over a month (i.e. the Earth would be spinning so slowly that it would be in contact with the sun for 30 days and darkness for 30 days).
I am trying to see what it would be like to spatially and architecturally live in a nomadic fashion, whereby people would need to constantly follow the sun.

I have also given myself a 250 million year deadline (by the way), when the tectonic plates collide to form Pangaea Ultima.

In order for the moon to effect the spin of the Earth in such a way, I realize that the mass of the moon would have to increase.

What I would like to suggest is that over the course of 250 million years an asteroid could fall into Earth's orbit and travel at such a slow speed that it would collide with the moon in pancake fashion, thereby increasing its mass to allow for the scenario to occur...

[PLAIN]http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/6987/63graphichowasecondmoon.gif

My question is, is my scenario in any way plausible? Could this actually in a very rare circumstance occur?
 
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One problem is that everyone would die in stage 1, so couldn't live in nomadic fashion... perhaps they could re-evolve.

I don't think you need the moon to change as the Earth isn't spinning due to the moon, the initial impact might be sufficient to change the Earth's spin to a slower one that is a month long.
 
One problem is that everyone would die in stage 1

Thanks for the reply. The thing is I don't need or want stage 1 to occur. I want stage 2 and onwards to occur, whereby an asteroid comes into our orbit and is absorbed by the moon. Nothing ever hits the earth.

If there are any other ways in which the Earth could start spinning slower I would also love to hear them btw
 
Princedragon said:
Hello, I am an architect at UCL london and am currently looking at a hypothetical scene whereby the length of a day could be increased to something at least over a month (i.e. the Earth would be spinning so slowly that it would be in contact with the sun for 30 days and darkness for 30 days).
I am trying to see what it would be like to spatially and architecturally live in a nomadic fashion, whereby people would need to constantly follow the sun.

I have also given myself a 250 million year deadline (by the way), when the tectonic plates collide to form Pangaea Ultima.

In order for the moon to effect the spin of the Earth in such a way, I realize that the mass of the moon would have to increase.

What I would like to suggest is that over the course of 250 million years an asteroid could fall into Earth's orbit and travel at such a slow speed that it would collide with the moon in pancake fashion, thereby increasing its mass to allow for the scenario to occur...



My question is, is my scenario in any way plausible? Could this actually in a very rare circumstance occur?

Here's the problem. the increase in mass that the moon would have to undergo in order for it to be able to tidally lock the Earth to it in the time scale you want is several times the moon's present mass. Probably by about 5 to 6 times.
 
Here's the problem. the increase in mass that the moon would have to undergo in order for it to be able to tidally lock the Earth to it in the time scale you want is several times the moon's present mass. Probably by about 5 to 6 times.

Very interesting, thanks a lot, especially for the estimated increase in size.

On a different note/perspective, could any other scenario cause the Earth to spin as slowly as required? (30 days sunlight, 30 days darkness)? Thanks
 

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