Inner Product of Complex Vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the inner product of complex vectors, particularly focusing on whether the result is always a real scalar or can be complex. Participants explore definitions, conditions under which the imaginary part may vanish, and examples illustrating these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the scalar product of two complex vectors is complex in general, but questions whether the imaginary component should vanish when applying the inner product definition involving complex conjugates.
  • Another participant clarifies that the imaginary part of the inner product will only be zero for specific cases, such as when the vectors are identical or one is a real multiple of the other.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the inner product of two arbitrary complex vectors does not necessarily yield a real number, providing a definition involving the complex conjugate transpose and noting that the imaginary part can remain non-zero.
  • One participant discusses the one-dimensional case of complex numbers, indicating that the inner product will not be real unless the angles of the two numbers are aligned in specific ways.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the inner product of complex vectors can be real or complex, with no consensus reached on the conditions under which the imaginary part may vanish.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various definitions and conditions related to the inner product, highlighting the dependence on specific cases and the need for careful consideration of vector properties.

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I was reading in my textbook that the scalar product of two complex vectors is also complex (I assuming this is true in general, but not in every case). However for the general definition (the inner product), each element of one of the vectors needs to be its complex conjugate. I learned this in Mary Boas' methods. If this is the case, shouldn't all the imaginary component get zapped, and leave a scalar in ##\mathbb{R}##.

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If A and B are different complex vectors, then (A,B) imaginary part will survive. Only for (A,A) or something similar (such as (A,B) where B is a real multiple of A) will the imaginary part = 0.
 
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Ok, so in general the inner product is a ##\mathbb{C}##.

Thanks,
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Consider the one-dimensional case, where the complex vectors are simply complex numbers ##u## and ##v##, and the inner product is ##\langle u, v \rangle = u\overline{v}##. This won't be real unless ##u## and ##v## have the same (or opposite) angles.
 
kq6up said:
I was reading in my textbook that the scalar product of two complex vectors is also complex (I assuming this is true in general, but not in every case). However for the general definition (the inner product), each element of one of the vectors needs to be its complex conjugate. I learned this in Mary Boas' methods. If this is the case, shouldn't all the imaginary component get zapped, and leave a scalar in ##\mathbb{R}##.
You can define an inner product on ##\mathbb C^n## by ##\langle x,y\rangle =x^\dagger y##, where ##x^\dagger## is the complex conjugate of the transpose of x. There's no reason for the imaginary part of ##\langle x,y\rangle## to be zero (for arbitrary x,y), and it's not hard to think of a counterexample, but we have
$$\langle x,x\rangle =x^\dagger x=\sum_{k=1}^n x_k^*x_k=\sum_{k=1}^n|x_k|^2,$$ and the imaginary part of this is clearly zero.
 
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