Is dark energy actually zero-point energy?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between dark energy and zero-point energy, exploring theoretical calculations and experimental evidence related to the acceleration of the universe's expansion. Participants examine various models and approaches to understand these concepts within the context of cosmology and quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a claim by Kaku regarding a significant discrepancy in the calculated value of dark energy based on subatomic particle theories.
  • Another participant suggests that the calculation of dark energy is derived from the zero-point energy of particle fields, with experimental evidence linked to the observed acceleration of the universe's expansion.
  • A request for references to support the calculations of dark energy and zero-point energy is made, indicating a need for further clarification.
  • Participants provide links to sources such as WMAP and other reviews that discuss the theoretical calculations and measurements related to dark energy.
  • A participant introduces an approach from CalPhysics that posits a phase cutoff point for the gravitational effects of the vacuum field, suggesting a mechanism that could reconcile the large energy values with observed gravitational effects.
  • Recent work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey is mentioned, proposing that dark energy may be identified as a low-frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy, potentially resolving the discrepancy in energy scales.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between dark energy and zero-point energy, with some proposing that they are equivalent while others remain skeptical. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the validity of the models presented.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific theoretical frameworks and the unresolved nature of the calculations and assumptions regarding the gravitational effects of zero-point energy.

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Quoting Kaku in Parallel Worlds (page 12), " If we take the latest theory of subatomic particles and compute the value of dark energy, we find a number that is off by 10 to the 120 power." What is the calculation and the experimental evidence he is referring to?
 
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The calculation comes from the zero point energy of the particle fields (similar to the zero point energy in a Harmonic oscillator).
The experimental evidence is the rate of acceleration of expansion of the universe. Measured for example by supernovae surveys.
 
Thanks, is there a reference that shows the two calculations?
 
For the measured value, the main source is the wmap, e.g. http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.4538" .

A good review of the problem is http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0004075". The main idea for the theoretical calculation is in the first few pages.
 
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An interesting approach http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html" found on the CalPhysics site suggests that the gravitational effects of the vacuum field have a phase cutoff point. This allows the large, but constant energy field while limiting the gravitational effect (otherwise we would collapse to sub-atomic size)

Recent work by Christian Beck at the University of London and Michael Mackey at McGill University may have resolved the 120 order of magnitude problem. In that case dark energy is nothing other than zero-point energy. In Measureability of vacuum fluctuations and dark energy and Electromagnetic dark energy they propose that a phase transition occurs so that zero-point photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally active whereas above that they are not. If this is the case, then the dark energy problem is solved: dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy.
 
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