Is Dark Matter and Dark Energy Present on Earth?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the presence of dark matter and dark energy on Earth and their expected detectability given their estimated abundance in the universe. Participants explore theoretical implications and the nature of these phenomena in relation to ordinary matter.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why dark matter and dark energy, which are estimated to make up significant portions of the universe, are not found on Earth or other celestial bodies, drawing a comparison to the presence of rare elements like uranium.
  • Another participant asserts that dark matter and dark energy are pervasive but do not interact with ordinary matter, making them essentially undetectable.
  • A similar point is reiterated regarding the undetectability of dark matter and dark energy, raising the question of how their existence can be proven or disproven.
  • One participant discusses the implications of high rotational speeds of stars in galaxies, suggesting that the presence of unseen matter could explain the stability of galaxies despite insufficient measured mass.
  • A participant elaborates on the distribution of dark matter, proposing a hypothetical scenario where dark matter is spread uniformly in a sphere around the solar system, estimating its density and total mass within the Earth.
  • Another participant estimates the mass of dark energy present on Earth to be about 10 milligrams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the detectability and implications of dark matter and dark energy, with no consensus reached on their presence or interaction with ordinary matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions regarding the distribution and properties of dark matter and dark energy, and the discussion includes speculative estimates that are not universally accepted.

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If Dark Matter and Dark Energy are so abundant wasn't to be expected that they should be found on Earth?

We can find elements such as uranium on our planet, which is one of the rarest elements fused on Stars, Dark Matter being estimated to account for roughly 20% of the total mass of the universe and Dark Energy about 70%, shouldn't we expect to find it on Earth, the Moon, Mars or orbiting the Sun?
 
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Dark matter and dark energy are all around. However neither seems to interact with ordinary matter so they are essentially undetectable.
 
mathman said:
Dark matter and dark energy are all around. However neither seems to interact with ordinary matter so they are essentially undetectable.

So how can we ever prove/disprove their existence?
 
Some stars move at speeds that should rip the galaxy apart; there is not enough measured mass to supply the gravity needed to hold the galaxy together.

These high rotational speeds suggest that the galaxy contains more mass than was calculated. Scientists theorize that, if the galaxy was surrounded by a halo of unseen matter, the galaxy could remain stable at such high rotational speeds.

source: http://www.eclipse.net/~cmmiller/DM/
 
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BruceNakagawa said:
If Dark Matter and Dark Energy are so abundant wasn't to be expected that they should be found on Earth?

We can find elements such as uranium on our planet, which is one of the rarest elements fused on Stars, Dark Matter being estimated to account for roughly 20% of the total mass of the universe and Dark Energy about 70%, shouldn't we expect to find it on Earth, the Moon, Mars or orbiting the Sun?

Dark matter would be evenly distributed as a halo around the galaxy and due to its properties, wouldn't "clump" together like planets and stars do.

To paint a picture of what I mean, imagine that 4 times the entire mass of the solar system where spread out uniformly in a sphere with the radius of the Oort cloud. You would end up with a density of 4.56e-9 kg/ km³.

In other words, the entire volume of the Earth would contain ~5000 kg of dark matter at this density. And this would be spread out evenly throughout the entire Earth. Compare this to the 35,709 metric tons of Uranium processed per year from just the upper layers of the Earth's crust.

And this vastly overestimates the density of dark matter in the galaxy. There may be a lot of it, but it is spread very thinly.
 
Meanwhile, the "mass" of dark energy in the Earth would be about 10 milligrams.
 

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