Is Displacement Ventilation a Viable Option for Cooling in the Northeast USA?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the viability of Displacement Ventilation (DV) systems for cooling applications in the Northeast USA, particularly in states like Delaware, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. Participants explore the potential benefits and limitations of DV, especially in relation to heating requirements in the region.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express interest in the application of DV systems for cooling, noting that they may be particularly suited for larger spaces.
  • Others highlight that DV systems are primarily designed for cooling and may not effectively address heating needs, as hot air rises and could disrupt the stratification necessary for DV to function properly.
  • One participant mentions that DV systems can use 25% less outside air, which could improve indoor air quality (IAQ) and reduce energy consumption due to the higher delivery temperature of air.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between DV systems and traditional data center cooling systems, with some participants emphasizing that DV enhances natural air stratification rather than interfering with it.
  • Some participants are currently researching or working on DV projects and seek further details on calculations related to achieving the required supply air temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that DV systems are primarily cooling systems and may not be suitable for heating applications. However, there is no consensus on the extent to which DV can be effectively implemented in the Northeast USA, as some participants suggest it could work in certain areas while others remain skeptical.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions under which DV systems might be effective in heating mode, as well as the calculations necessary to achieve optimal supply air temperatures.

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Any of you HVAC guys/gals design a Displacement Ventilation (DV) system in the Northeast USA?

With our heating requirements as a notable concern, is DV a viable option for very many applications in the NE USA (DE, NJ, PA areas).

It looks interesting to me especially for cooling, but I think adequate heating may be a concern. Anyone have any experience with it?
 
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Here's a link to a http://www.price-hvac.com/catalog/J_all/SectionJ.aspx?pageRequest=INTRODUCTION" I found on the subject. It seems DV is geared more to cooling dominated spaces.
 
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If a data center system qualifies, then I have...but as you say, that's a cooling only system.
 
Hi, Artman. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. I've done HVAC work in FL, LA, NV, and CO, on a contractual basis.
 
russ_watters said:
If a data center system qualifies, then I have...but as you say, that's a cooling only system.

I think the difference between data center cooling and what I am talking about is that the objective of DV is to not interfere with natural stratification of air, but to enhance it. DV seems to use lower velocity to avoid entraining and mixing old air with air being introduced through the HVAC system. Also, it uses higher, slightly below room temperature air (min of 65 deg F).

mugaliens, I don't currently have a project that suits this type of system on the boards, just researching it now. The areas you mentioned seem well suited to it. You should check it out.

DV systems, from what I read, can use 25% less outside air, because of more efficient distribution and resulting increased IAQ. And the higher delivery temperature air requires less energy to produce. It seems like an interesting system if it can be made to work in heating mode for my area.
 
Artman said:
I think the difference between data center cooling and what I am talking about is that the objective of DV is to not interfere with natural stratification of air, but to enhance it. DV seems to use lower velocity to avoid entraining and mixing old air with air being introduced through the HVAC system. Also, it uses higher, slightly below room temperature air (min of 65 deg F).

Bingo, and not "seems to," but definitely. It's a minimal flow rate system designed for large spaces (think of movie theaters, warehouses, and older gymnasiums, particularly those in hotter climates), and requires natural stratification to be effective. The reason it uses below normal room temp air is to ensure that air from contamination sources (people, equipment) rises to the upper levels where it's extracted.

It works for cooling, but not for heating, as hot air rises!

mugaliens, I don't currently have a project that suits this type of system on the boards, just researching it now. The areas you mentioned seem well suited to it. You should check it out.

Some areas in the NE can use it, but again, it's a cooling system, not a heating system.

DV systems, from what I read, can use 25% less outside air, because of more efficient distribution and resulting increased IAQ. And the higher delivery temperature air requires less energy to produce. It seems like an interesting system if it can be made to work in heating mode for my area.

Er... It's not a heating system. Again, it's for large spaces, and requires stratification, whichis disturbed by heating.
 
I am currently working on the Displacement ventilation project and looking on the ways to arrive this 65deg Supply air temp. thru bypass of the air. Do anybody know the details of the calculations.





mugaliens said:
Bingo, and not "seems to," but definitely. It's a minimal flow rate system designed for large spaces (think of movie theaters, warehouses, and older gymnasiums, particularly those in hotter climates), and requires natural stratification to be effective. The reason it uses below normal room temp air is to ensure that air from contamination sources (people, equipment) rises to the upper levels where it's extracted.

It works for cooling, but not for heating, as hot air rises!



Some areas in the NE can use it, but again, it's a cooling system, not a heating system.



Er... It's not a heating system. Again, it's for large spaces, and requires stratification, whichis disturbed by heating.
 

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